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I don’t know what to think of Trump:
I do know what to think Bernie Sanders. Venezuela!
Ted Cruz’s performance in the Congressional Hearing on experimental evidence on AGW convinced me that he is serious. The other have little or no chance of grasping that the National Academy of Sciences of the US (UK, Sweden, Germany, Norway, Russia, China etc) cannot be trusted.
I think I’m going to vote for Cruz in Michigan’s primary.
Our founding fathers believed humans were endowed by their Creator with inalienable rights to enjoy life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Governments were established to protect those inalienable rights, and
Governments hired scientists to give citizens the best possible information on forces that threatened human lives.
Why then have government scientists deceived the public?
Here’s why the next President cannot trust government scientists:
http://junkscience.com/2016/03/scientists-finally-admit-climate-models-are-failing-to-predict-global-warming/#comment-80108
It will be interesting to see if Canman can make up Canman’s mind, before the polls close and he misses out. The last minute deciders are amusing. It should be a practice to announce the polls will be open til 9:00 PM, then close at 8:00 to screen them out.
Don,
Cut people some slack. At least those who are not congenital like some here. Canman made a simple comment. No need to denigrate it.
Put another way – it is the difference between targeting something that is worth the ordinance and firing away at any target that presents itself.
I didn’t realize that Canman is so delicate, tim. I’ll send him some flowers and candy. Or should I send them to you?
There is no time for petty bickering.
The US National Academy of Sciences has taken control of government policy, as Eisenhower warned might happen in 1961, and we need a President that can take US policy away from the National Academy of Sciences:
You can send them to me.
My wife will like the flowers and the women at work will appreciate the candy. (I have a wicked sweet tooth but am diabetic. But it’s the thought that counts.)
That is moronic. This site is a joke
I could probably go for Trump and Rubio VP. That would push The Donald over 50% and since Rubio is the establishment guy it placates party leaders. Give Cruz a cabinet position and away we go.
Let’s see if Trump’s deal-making ability is as good as some people think. The insult trading is boys being boys. A little unexpected on a national stage but otherwise not a big deal AFAIK. Except for Romney. That guy makes me uncomfortable and more so lately.
Actually I wouldn’t mind seeing Kasich in a new administration either. Deal him in too.
I think Trump, with Kasich as VP would be a good combination, and it could lead to a 8-16 year stretch with people who might be able to run a successful government and not give the store away to do it.
He was my lead candidate when primary season kicked off. Not that I gave him much of a chance. I could also support Christie and I think Rick Perry might make a good President. All three have shown they can govern.
But then I’d probably vote for a Springer/Monfort ticket ahead of Hillary. As I told my brothers, while I may be embarrassed to be a Republican, I’m not st00pid enough to be a Democrat.
Trump and Rubio. Sign me up. Rubio would contribute much to the effort. Onward to November.
I have noticed that in recent elections no matter how much I see people trash GOP candidates other their own, most seem to change their tune when the general election starts. It happened with both McCain and Romney.
I can say whatever I want about my brother/sister, but if you say anything bad…………………………………
Not always.
If Trump gets the nomination, I suspect the Republican establishment may do the same thing it did in Connecticut in 2006:
If the Republican establishment is forced into doing something like this, however, it will be quite an eye-opening experience for the American people, as it will expose Republican vs. Democratic partisanship as nothing but theater to dupe the sheep.
Yeah if that happened the establishment be tearing the party apart for good. I just don’t see that happening.
I think the word for the day is “realignment.”
Some are saying there’s a realignment going on the likes of which we haven’t seen since the first half of the 20th century.
Here, for instance, if Frank Rich:
And here’s Ben Domenech:
Donald Trump Is The Next Barack Obama
Oh Yeah – I forgot how successful McCain and Romney were.
Re changing their tune, I think it was more like holding their nose. Republicans have not had an inspiring candidate since reagan, but generally thought electing Mickey mouse would be a better option than the dem choice.
My concern with trump is that he will in fact be a continuation of obama with a “phone and a pen” to bypass congress. I may be more in agreement with his objectives, but it will continue to take us away from our republican form of government and 3 equal branches.
I frankly think the toxic dump cess-pool we call DC is too broken to be fixed and that this country may be in a death spiral with one possible out – Article 5, Convention of States, if we can find more prinipled leaders like Tom Coburn to help the cause.
cruz supreme court.
Steven,
“cruz supreme court” But there won’t even be a consideration much less a vote.
How many Republican Senators would vote to confirm?
So was that:
1. A recommendation for Obama to nominate Cruz?
2. A blurt of fear over the prospect of President Cruz making nominations?
3. Another cryptic koan we grasshoppers will never figure out?
Cruz is regarded by some of his Harvard Law professors as the best student they ever had. Trump is a liar and a fraud.
You may not like Trump, but you have to admit he is a smart guy who has been very successful at his goal of becoming wealthy.
Trump was born wealthy.
Clinton or Sanders beats Trump or Cruz. Apparently, Rubio’s poor showing has knocked him out of the polling.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/pres_general/
So, the Redimowit establishment may have already killed the party by their failure to control immigration. The Dimowits have done everything they can to get more immigrants, who overwhelmingly vote Dimowit, into the country. They are converting them to citizens as fast as they can. The Redimowit establishment are id -eee – ots!
Jim2,
Good news/bad news. Who’s ‘converting’?
More applications for U.S. citizenship. But why? http://www.salon.com/2016/03/08/donald_trumps_anti_immigrant_campaign_is_actually_inspiring_more_latinos_to_seek_u_s_citizenship/
Right, Danny. All this illegal and otherwise immigration started when Trump entered the race. What a crock, Danny.
Jim2,
When did I say that? Guessing you either didn’t read or understand the information provided beginning here: https://judithcurry.com/2016/02/27/u-s-presidential-politics-discussion-thread/#comment-769992
And further perspective of unintended consequences? (think long term) http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/03/08/will_latinos_wall_off_trump_129896.html
Sunday, March 6
Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread
Michigan: Trump vs. Clinton NBC/WSJ/Marist Clinton 52, Trump 36 Clinton +16
Michigan: Cruz vs. Clinton NBC/WSJ/Marist Clinton 48, Cruz 41 Clinton +7
Michigan: Trump vs. Sanders NBC/WSJ/Marist Sanders 56, Trump 34 Sanders +22
Michigan: Cruz vs. Sanders NBC/WSJ/Marist Sanders 54, Cruz 36 Sanders +18
From:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/pres_general/
The USA polítical system is breaking down. This leads to incompetents being elected (Clinton, Bush II, Obama were lousy). Gerrymandering leads to polarization, campaign financing and media exposure rules lead to distorted over representation of rich elites, including elites which represent foreign interests not focused on USA well being, but that of other nations (Israel is a premier example).
What’s needed is a couple of amendments to remedy these serious ills. But the entrenched powers won’t ever allow it. Thus the USA is doomed to follow in the footsteps of other world powers, which decayed and eventually fragmented due to the shortsightedness and ignorance of history they suffered from.
Given the harsh realities on the ground, the USA does need to block illegal inmigration. It has to achieve full control of its borders, and develop an inmigration policy which allows individuals who share USA cultural values and have a strong work ethic to enter as Inmigrants. This doesn’t mean they are automatically given USA citizenship, that comes later, and they would have to earn it.
I don’t see any worthwhile candidates left standing. Kasich and Rand Paul seemed the better ones on the republican side. Trump has many good ideas, but his mouth is cancerous. Hillary is simply a former president’s relative, groomed to serve as a special interest aglomerator. Her foreign policy decisions will be made by neocons, the gang which already put the USA in the Iraq/Syria quagmire.
In conclusion, I’m voting for my son. I can’t vote for myself because I’m not a USA born citizen, but my son would do better than any of these candidates.
fernandoleanme: “The USA polítical system is breaking down.”
So are many others, such as the UK.
It’s because they are infested with professional politicians with worthless bits of paper, who know everything about nothing and Sweet FA about anything useful.
Not a single one of them has the financial acumen or management capability to run a corner sweetshop.
The last Wall Street Journal poll was wildly off base, so I don’t put much stock in their numbers. They are an Establishment Redimowit puppet.
Net immigration from Hispanic countries to the U.S. has been negative for years. Obama managed to do what Bush could not–reduce immigration.
I will cheerfully vote for either Clinton or Sanders, mostly because I believe the White House should be occupied by adults, but partly because I am a true blue Democrat.
I am (from afar) enjoying the reality TV show that is the Republican race for the nomination, but I suspect that is mostly because, being afar, I don’t have to put up with the advertisements.
Oh? Is there a US on some other planet?
Just so you know, negative means Hispanics would be net leaving the US.
i have no interest ever in agreeing with Tom Fuller, but my experience in Texas is there are far fewer illegal immigrants than there were before 2008. Just anecdotal.
JCH,
Maybe they’ve moved north where it’s cooler?
Tom,
You rank among the top of people here I respect and I respect all but a few commentators. I also know enough not to let differentiating political opinions color my opinion about people. So I can’t say you are being idiotic. All I can say is that Hillary as President scares me.
The moderation filter is for kindygarten;
I can say that Tom is being –snipiotic–. How the poor guy went against his left-loon nature and got on the wrong side of the climate issue is very mysterious. Probably a lewandumpski paper coming on that, soon.
thomaswfuller2 said:
Nah.
“El flujo migratorio internacional de México hacia
los Estados Unidos y la captación interna de
las remesas familiares, 2000-2015”
http://www.diputados.gob.mx/sedia/sia/se/SAE-ISS-07-15.pdf
As the graph above shows, the number of people living in the US that were born in Mexico peaked in 2007. That was on Bush’s watch. It has been almost flat ever since.
Central America followed a similar trend.
http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/central-american-immigrants-united-states
Candidate quotes on climate change.
They obviously have a point of view, but the quotes are telling.
Cruz: “Big Government Politicians” Like “Pseudoscientific Theory” Of Climate Change Because They Want
“Massive Government Control Of The Energy Sector, The
Economy, And Every Aspect Of Our Lives.”
Cruz: “Public Policy Should Follow The Actual Science And The Actual Data And Evidence, And Not Political And Partisan Claims.”
Kasich: Humans Have Impacted Climate Change, But “The Jury Is Out” Regarding “To What Degree.” ( Winner )
Kasich: Climate Change Is Real, But Humans’ Impact Has Not Yet Been Determined; “Worshipping The Environment Is Pantheism, And I’m Opposed To It.” ( Winner )
Rubio: A “Skeptic Of Climate Change Science,” Said, “I’ve Never Supported Cap And Trade, And I Never Thought That Was A Good Idea.
Rubio: Called For A Cap-And-Trade “Mandate” At The State Level, And Hoped That It Would A Model For A Federal Cap-And-Trade Program.
Rubio: Climate Has Always Been Changing; “Scientists Have Already Said That In Terms Of Climate Sensitivity, There Is Not A Global Consensus On That.”
Trump: “Bullshit,” Adding, “Our Planet Is Freezing, Record Low Temps, And Our [Global Warming] Scientists Are Stuck In Ice.”
Trump: Climate Change Is A Hoax, And A “Money – Making Industry.”
Clinton: “Hard To Believe” Some Presidential Candidates Don’t Accept “Settled Science Of Climate Change.”
Clinton: Climate Change Was “The Most Consequential, Urgent, Sweeping Collection Of Challenges We Face As A Nation And A World.” ???
Sanders: Climate Change “Absolutely” Remains The Greatest Threat To National Security ( Crazy )
Sanders: Endangers The World, And Republicans Refuse To Acknowledge It ( Crazy )
NPR has a categorical list of positions – Ds and Rs are pretty much each uniform.
Not clear where John McAffee stands.
I must admit I started supporting McAfee as a lark:
But since he’s changed to Libertarian and since I’ve read some of his regular articles, I really do think from an intellectual and philosophical perspective, he’s the best. Insane, perhaps, but the best.
Trump by 7 points
What they need to do is attack him… lol.
What a circus. Makes British politicians look adult.
Not really.
“Both America and Britain have developed a ruling class that is increasingly insular and removed from — and contemptuous of — the people it deigns to rule.”
Really?
Been much worse in the past…..
Tony Banton said:
Been much worse in the past…..
Adam Curtis in the BBC special The Trap takes a look at that claim, and comes to a very different conclusion:
The documentary can be seen here on the internet:
Based upon past performance, Trump will nominate a good looking lady of Eastern European extraction to be his mate… er, running mate: like Havrudd educated Malim Bialik
His current wife is Slovene.
That’s Central Europe, not Eastern.
As long as she looks and sounds like Arnold with ovaries, I doubt he cares.
Don’t know how to paste photos, but Trump’s wife is hot. I’m not into blondes and she still looks hot.
Yeah, she’s hot if you are 70 years old. I can see her in a Viagra commercial.
Culturally, materially and politically, anything east of Austria is Asia.
Max,
I need to learn how to post photos for no other reason than to show how retarded your latest comment is. Google Trumps wife.
She’s good looking for a 46-year old. My point is men usually look for women younger than them. Trump, for example. I’m sure men in their 60’s and 70’s would salivate over her, and even men in their 50’s would find her appealing. But I think most men under 50 would prefer a younger woman. Life is unfair to women that way.
I think your numbers for vs Clinton are either wrong or outdated.
It’s from an article published March 02:
I would go to the source..
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_Clinton_vs._Republicans.html
Of course, the numbers for the general election matchups are wrong. They won’t be potentially useful until the primaries are settled and we see how much trouble the granny is in with the FBI.
What the little lizards, mice and low-information kibbitzers are missing is that Trump has been under assault from virtually the whole universe, including self-inflicted incoming, for the whole process and he is the man to beat for the Republican nomination.
The powers that be have spent hundreds of millions against him and he has spent virtually nothing in comparison (one of his larger mistakes). Even Fox News is trying to crush him. He still stands.
If all the folks who normally rally around the most likely Republican nominee want to continue to be incredibly stoopid, Trump can be stopped. That will result in the Republican Party self-destructing. I am inclined to believe it won’t go that far, but those clowns running the show are not giving any detectable indication of having freaking brains in their little heads.
Trump is a known commodity and not that well liked. I really don’t see people all of sudden falling in love with him.
Huffpost is even more up to date. Here it is for Clinton vs Trump
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-clinton
There is a caricature of Trump that is being promoted by virtually all the media and both his Demo opponents and his Repub opponents spending hundreds of millions of bucks. OMG! Trump won’t disavow the KKK properly and often enough. He wants to ban Muslims. He been bankrupt and destitute so many times. The pernicious peronista pope, who recently discovered the “Arab invasion” of Europe, has put the sign of the devil on The Donald. Of course his negatives are high.
Ask Rubio and Cruz supporters if they will vote for Donald in the general and a lot will say they won’t. Same with the sore losers who supported the also-rans who Donald ran over. We’ll see. Wait till it’s Donald vs. granny the felonious grinch.
It’s ridiculous the words that throw comments into moderation:
There is a caricature of Trump that is being promoted by virtually all the media and both his Demo opponents and his Repub opponents spending hundreds of millions of bucks. OMG! Trump won’t disavow the KKK properly and often enough. He wants to ban Muslims. He been bankrupt and destitute so many times. The pernicious peronista pope, who recently discovered the “Arab invasion” of Europe, has put the sign of the devil on The Donald. Of course his negatives are high.
Ask Rubio and Cruz supporters if they will vote for Donald in the general and a lot will say they won’t. Same with the sore losers who supported the also-rans who Donald ran over. We’ll see. Wait till it’s Donald vs. granny the XXXXXX grinch.
Don Monfort said:
I like how it’s expressed here:
Don Monfort said:
Clinton vs. Trump isn’t really going anywhere right now. Should Trump get the nomination, it will be lots of fun to watch him take down socially tone deaf Hillary. The press will probably support her, but it will be hard to keep Trump’s masterful jabs away from readers, listeners, and watchers.
==> There is a caricature of Trump that is being promoted by virtually all the media and both his Demo opponents and his Repub opponents spending hundreds of millions of bucks.
I guess for some folks, playing the victim card never gets old.
Pretty amusing, trying to portray Trump as some kind of victim.
So much for “personal responsibility,” eh?
I didn’t say Trump is a victim, you little no name –snipper–snipping– putz. He is the big dog.
Montie would have a really sore backside right now if Trump didn’t have such a tiny hand.
Hi Don –
Nice to exchange views with you again.
It isn’t a “caricature” being promoted other people, it’s an image that’s being deliberately crafted and pushed by Trump, for the sake of political expediency and ego gratification. His whole game is to say outrageous stuff to garner attention.
It’s funny how you can simultaneously fawn over what you see as his stunning capabilities and then whine about how he’s a poor victim when his publicity-seeking gets him exactly what he wants.
Only a certain no name little –snipper–snipping– liar would try to portray what I said as whining about Trump being a victim. My point is obviously the opposite. It is simply factual that Trump is being attacked from all sides. He thrives on it. He is one bad –snipper–snipper–.
See what happens when David & Don show off their sniping skills. The putz thinks he’s invited to the conversation.
The Media constantly rants about turmoil in the Republican party.
Ignoring the alienation of the Sanders base by the heavy handed tactics of the DNC.
The populace has soured on both establishments.
The alleged problems of the Republicans should be seen as vitality.
While unruly, the Republicans have pathway to redefinition. They could emerge more in tune with American public.
The Democrats have chosen the Beltway model and lack an evolutionary path.
I tend to agree.
Trump has bashed many of the icons that both parties hold dear: Wall Street, the military-industrial-complex, the US’s pay to play politics.
Here’s an article on how he’s taken on the military-industrial complex and the neocons, which Bernie hasn’t done:
And there’s also this:
How about when one sticks their head in the mouth of a lion? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/08/fox-news-got-hillary-clinton-out-of-her-comfort-zone-and-even-democrats-should-be-glad/
If elected, Hillary Clinton probably will appoint Al Gore as Climate Czar to stop the seas from rising.
it killed them to do it, but the Washington Post took Bernie Sanders to task for exaggerating both the threat from fracking and global warming.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/06/fact-checking-the-seventh-democratic-debate/
Sanders says global warming will be “cataclysmic.”
Fracking causes earthquakes. Did Bernie say anything about that?
Now Max, didn’t you get the memo? You’re supposed to say the “C” in CAGW is a right-wing straw man. Get with the program!
Some oversized saltwater injection wells probably cause minor earthquakes in some places in central Oklahoma along some known faults that are also known to be stressed. Solutions include reduced individual well volume, and better geological siting. The Arkansas swarms were all about the New Madrid fault, and one recent swarm in the same area occurred before there was any Fayetteville shale fracking. Nothing in North Dakota or Pennsylvania. Wrote that up in the correlation does not equal causation chapter of the Arts of Truth. Antifrackers are making mountains out of molehills.
As Ristvan mentioned, seismicity can be caused by poorly designed water disposal wells. Hydraulic fracturing of producing wells causes micro quakes (they are measured using very sensitive devices located at the surface within the area targeted for depletion).
These fractured wells produce water, which has to be injected in water bearing reservoirs located below fresh water aquifers. The water being injected increases pore pressure, and if the well is receiving too much water, the rocks begin to yield and an earthquake can indeed take place.
The solution is to reduce injection rates, and/or limit the cumulative injection volume in a given well/sector. This is fairly easy to model. But state regulators are behind the technology. In general, USA regulators are second rate. Those in Kansas, Oklahoma, and North Dakota are inept. Texas is better, but still behind the ball.
When I hear of micro-quakes, my first question is whether they’re relieving progressive strain that might otherwise cause a damaging larger one.
Just a question. I don’t have an answer, even whether the issue has even been studied.
ristvan, are you up to date?
Oklahoma regulators aren’t anti-fracking.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/08/us/oklahoma-earthquakes-oil-gas-wells.html?_r=0
My Aunt bought her house in Irving, Texas around 1960. Between then and the advent of fracking, that family cannot remember a single earthquake. The actual number… who knows? There have been so many now that SMU is doing a research project. They’re centered on the old Cowboy Stadium location. Not much damage,but people are concerned.
“Clinton: Well, what I’m saying is, it wasn’t [classified] at the time. Now, if you — let’s take Mary Smith who has some information in the government. And she is FOIAed — Freedom of Information Act — give us your information, your memos, your emails, whatever it might have been. That then goes through a process. So even though the agency she works in has none of this as classified, others start to have a chance to weigh in. So others might say, you know, that wasn’t at the time, but now with circumstances, we don’t want to release it, so, therefore, we have to classify it.
It wasn’t a perfectly smooth answer, but it conveyed a point Clinton should make more often: Yes, many of the emails on her private server are now classified, but they were not at the time she sent or received them.
Clinton might prefer to say “nothing was classified” and have the argument end right there. But that’s just not realistic. Forced to provide a more nuanced answer, she might have actually delivered an explanation that will satisfy some Fox News viewers who view her skeptically.”
Well, no. Clinton’s answer was completely disingenuous, the Fox News dummy didn’t call her on it, and the Wapo interpretation of the exchange is completely disingenuous. They all know better and if they don’t they should be driving for uber or waiting tables, instead of being politicians or so-called journalists.
Everybody who has ever had any kind of security clearance knows that someone with a rubber stamp is not looking over your shoulder to make sure you don’t write and send emails containing classified information without it being marked with a security classification. And there is no one watching over the people who send you emails.
OK, the SOS future would-be granny POTUS declined to use her State Dept email account on the agencies secure server provided to protect classified email communications and set up a server that she controlled. Every freaking body knows she did this to avoid scrutiny, to hide her emails from FOIA and the Congress of the United States. She got away with this until a Federal Judge decided to enforce FOIA requests that had been stonewalled for years by the granny friendly Democrat State Dept.
Now State was forced to go through the emails to prevent the release of classified/secret information that is, of course, exempt from FOIA. Are you following this? Now the authorities at State and the intel agencies get to look at the emails and see if any of them contain classified material. Well, only about 2 freaking thousand! Is it credible that ALL the stuff in those emails was bland OK stuff when the emails were created, but at some later date much of the information somehow got to be stuff that needs to be kept secret? No! freaking NO! It was stuff that should have been kept secret and properly secured when it was written down and communicated. Unfortunately for granny, the FBI is not fooled by her BS.
The bankers have also singled out Trump for the daily sessions of Two Minutes Hate. This from American Banker:
Just so depressed that conservatives angry after eight years of an egomaniacal incompetent in office have decided the solution is to elect an egomaniacal blowhard to replace him.
I like Cruz best of what looks viable but the way he handled his Iowa victory (unending and unfocused evangelical-style preaching to the choir when he had a golden opportunity to sell the undecided voters on freedom, the constitution and doing away with the entrenched government corruption) shows me he’s tone deaf to the voters he needs to get over.
And he is not as clever and personable as the “egomaniacal blowhard”. Another drawback, he looks like a lizard.
Actually, I see a ferret.
If you think Trump is more clever than Cruz you are beyond help. If you decide your vote based on personal appearance then Bernie and Granny server must have no shot.
I agree with Don Monfort and the Cisco Kid. Cruz looks like a cross between a ferret and a lizard.
Trump is cleverly kicking Cruz’s buttocks up between his ears. Now that I think of it, lizards don’t have ears. I will defer to my learned pal cerescokid and go with weasel. I would vote for Ted, despite the fact that he looks like a weasel, but it is still a big problem for the ugly little rascal.
Cruz is just a Bible thumping Grandpa from the Munsters.
Your vote has been counted.
Mrs Bill Clinton all the way, next president hands down.
Poor granny. She’s already paying herself a Presidential-scale salary out of campaign funds. Probably glommed onto to some silverware and china, when she had lunch at the WH with Obamma.
FBI: Hands up! Mrs. Bill Clinton. All the way to the jailhouse.
I’ll have to try imaging the FBI will arrest people I don’t like. But first, I will imagine
Lady Ga Ga has the hots for me.
Don’t worry. I am just kidding, little maxie okie. The FBI is just messing around. They had an extra 150 agents sitting around with too much time on their hands. This email stuff is just another nothing burger. Not even any molested bimbos involved, so far.
Could be. Seeing how Democratic voters seem to take to st00pid like binge eaters take to Krispy Kreme.
They should be required to read the opinion piece from last weekend’s WSJ pointing out the numbers used for measuring economic equality. Simply put, progressive Democratic policies hurt the poor more often than conservative measures aimed at cutting taxes.
Hey! Leave Krispy Kreme out of this!!!
Under a Clinton Presidency the odds that the government develops new regulations limiting the number of donuts an individual can be sold, while instituting a “diabetes & obesity” tax will go up.
That’s how progressives roll.
Only a sap would believe the WSJ.
Krispy Kreme addicted couch potatoes lack the will power to get off their butts and do anything useful. I say tax those donuts.
“…..lack the will power to get off their butts and do anything useful”
Otherwise known as the democratic base.
But you can’t tax them, they’ve been trained to absorb taxpayer money.
Lazy Krispy Kreme addicts are living off handouts from the government anyway. So taxing them is simply giving back to the government what the government gave out to them, only to give it back again…
You can’t fool me. I watched the last GOP convention, so I know what Republicans look like. I’ve never seen so much obesity in one place. It was Krispy Kreme stockholder’s dream.
You ever seen the line waiting for their Obama phones and food stamps, little maxie okie? Heavy.
Don,
Not the “Obama phones” again. Reminder that that started under B. Clinton, extended under G. Bush as Safelink (http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/) and continued since.
When did food stamps start?
http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/short-history-snap
I don’t give a –snip– when they started, dannie. They aren’t called Clinton-Bush phones for a reason. I gotta put you on the ignore list with the other monkeys. You are excruciatingly uninteresting.
Maybe excruciatingly uninteresting, but at least I’m not playing politics with words like “Obama Phone” while not caring when/where it really originated (still a Dem if you’ll notice). If it’s your choice to ignore the facts along with ignoring me, that’s not on me Don. At least I show respect and provide the links. Just because others choose to call it something which it’s not makes it all the more interesting that you choose to do so with the correct information in hand.
My point is the implementation and continuation shows me no clean hands.
Danny, thank you for the link. Don is right. You can buy donuts with food stamps. You also can buy candy and cookies, but not soap or beer and wine. I think there’s something wrong with that. Cleanliness is a part of good health. Beer and wine are more nutritious than candy. When Hillary is President I hope she makes this right.
Max,
I take it you actually viewed the link and appreciate that.
I’m not as invested in who it is who’s tasked with ‘making it right’ and not sure we’d align well on the definition of ‘right’, but actually having someone make the attempt would be appreciated by me.
Links to discuss might include findings by Oxford University concerning the impact of climate change on worldwide food production to cause >500,000 extra deaths in 2050 (http://www.oxfordmartin.ox.ac.uk/news/201601_Climate_food_production ) despite yearly increases in the global output of crops over the last half of the 20th century including fruits and vegetables.
An aspect of this presidential election process that has received insufficient attention, IMO, concerns Clinton’s unsecured private email server while she was Sec. State. This was uncovered by the congressional Benghazi investigation. The physical server has been in the possession of the FBI since November 2015. In January 2016 the FBI told Congress (Benghazi committee IIRC) it was investigating possible national security crimes. Hillary’s defenses have been full of obfuscation and prevarication:
1. Nothing marked confidential at the time. Fails for two reasons:
a. One of the released state emails requests of a subordinate that confidential/secret be removed from a document before attaching to an email for Hillary to review.
b. There are classes of information ‘born’ confidential/secret. One is intelligence gathering details. A Hillary email contained a then current high resolution US spy satellite image of North Korea’s nuclear complex. The other is back channel information between foreign government officials and our ambassadors. That is by executive order from 2002, in order to protect the confidences those back channels require. One of the released emails is the UK foreign minister discussing Afganistan strategy (surge) with the US ambassador to the UK.
2. If transgressions, by staff since she just received, not sent. Wrong. WaPo disclosed on 3/05/16 that 104 of the now deemed classified emails were originated (sent) by Clinton.
3. Three in-the-know Justice sources told Fox News that Comey decided in January to expand the investigation to include political corruption, specifically the externally compiled and corroborated pattern of favorable State treatment of foreign entities coincident with their making large contributions to the Clinton Foundation. A charitable Foundation that took in $120 million through ye2013, spending 15% on charitable works and 85% on itself (including $500K year to Chelsea for a couple of speeches). This only makes sense if the FBI was able to access the private emails not provided by Clinton to State, because the server was not wiped. The server company said it was not wiped. Last week another inside source confirmed to Bloomberg that indeed at least some of the private emails have been retrieved by the FBI.
4. Any number of authorities (e.g NSC IG) say there is already enough publicly known evidence to indict her and her state staff on national security grounds. This view is greatly strengthened by Justice’s grant of immunity to Pagliano, the Clinton campaign and then State IT staffer who set up the private email system and server. Immunity grants ordinarily come after crimes have been determined, in order to avoid the 5th and compel testimony against co-defendants.
5. A number of judges and former federal prosecutors say publicly (like on Fox evening News 1/11/16) that they know FBI director Comey well, he is fiercely independent, and is an upstanding straight shooter. Any effort by Lynch or Obama to stymie Comey recommended indictments would probably lead to his resignation with a full explanation why (specific speculation by N.J. Judge Napolitano on 1/14/16). The equivalent of the Watergate “Saturday Night Massacre” ties the administration’s hands. Perhaps that is why Obama has made no endorsement.
I would expect there is enormous personal pressure on Comey to finish the FBI investigation before the Democratic convention. I think it possible a draft Biden movement might emerge if Sanders flounders. Hillary is anything but inevitable.
That is an excellent summary of what may turn into a scandal bigger than Watergate. My experience handling highly classified material tells me that she has very little chance of avoiding charges for violations of the espionage act. But I think you missed two points:
1. The saying, “it is not the crime, it is the cover-up” applies here. There are many potential people possibly liable including personnel at DoS, the CGI, and maybe even DoJ (or higher).
2. The FBI may very well be investigating a former POTUS. And, given his history, proving things like quid pro quo would be difficult at best.
In any case, this is all so sensitive that the FBI will need to present a bulletproof case or risk badly damaging their reputation. I doubt that they will rush the investigation with an artificial deadline like the Democratic convention. But I wouldn’t be surprised if indictments came earlier.
Dream on…
To me, questioning someone’s motivation instead of debating them on relevant facts is a sign of immaturity. How old are you?
If you don’t like someone, entertain yourself by imagining that person
will be arrested.
And how old are you?
Old enough to vote for Hillary.
I don’t question that. But exactly how old are you?
Max
Are you voting Hillary because she is good or because she is a Democrat?
tonyb
tony, I’ll vote for whoever is the Democrat candidate. I prefer Bernie, but I think Hillary will be nominated and I will be glad to see a president who is both a woman and the spouse of a former president. We have the opportunity for double firsts.
chill,
It isn’t an age thing with max. (Well it is if we recall his theory about deniers being old white men.)
max is actually a wonder. Doctor’s still can’t explain how he walks and talks with an EEG that’s flatlined.
“Immunity grants ordinarily come after crimes have been determined, in order to avoid the 5th and compel testimony against co-defendants.”
Not really. It just means he got a good lawyer to protect himself from the chance somebody could find something to indict for.
I think somebody once said you could find something to indict anybody.
The Clinton people welcomed the fact that he agree to testify. This probably means the investigation is near an end which is what the Clinton campaign wants.
James
One Fox News contributor, Judge Napolitano, has said that a grant of immunity in this case had to come from a federal judge and indicated that a grand jury has already convened or is eminant. He also said that immunity would have only been granted after a special meeting in which the witness already revealed what he/she knows.
Richard
You mean the 9/11 truther Napolitano. The guy who blames Lincoln for the Civil War. The guy with the financial relationship with Donald Trump.
Yeah, I would definitely believe him.
James, lets see your interpretation of the data, other than some warmunist false hope. I set out a time line, with witness statements, and plausible conclusions. You misinterpret immunity grants, and also Clinton’s ‘brave faces’ concerning those grants.
Want to make a bet on this outcome. I am more than game. BIG bet. On?
Nothing will come of this. The FBI is housekeeping. A person from congress put a pointless turd in a box and left it on the FBI’s front steps, and now they have to clean it up. They’ll go through the motions, and then they will deep ISSA the entire thing. Just like they did with the IRS investigation: dinosaur-sized goose eggs.
They have serious work to do; this is a complete waste of their time.
” They have serious work to do; this is a complete waste of their time.”
You must have never had a clearance, they are serious people.
And what she did was criminal.
==> I think somebody once said you could find something to indict anybody.
Ham sandwich.
The FBI investigation was not prompted by Congress, dip–snip–. Nor the IG investigations. Classified info has been found where it ain’t supposed to be. The Congress did not determine that the emails have classified information. Try to freaking catch up on the basic facts, before shooting off your big mouth.
“The revelation that the Justice Department has granted immunity to a former State Department staff member who worked on Hillary Clinton’s private email server is a likely indication that the investigation is nearing a conclusion, but should not be read as a sign that the leading Democratic presidential candidate is going to face criminal charges, legal experts said.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/what-does-a-former-staffers-immunity-deal-mean-for-hillary-clinton/2016/03/03/0fbb6ab2-e15e-11e5-846c-10191d1fc4ec_story.html
The Wapo always puts the best face on a hilly-billy scandal, James. Read Catherine Herridge’s reporting. She has sources. So do I. Granny has got big problems. Anybody who knows about the issue can see this from publicly available information. Secret stuff transmitted by unsecure means and kept in places it don’t belong. Prima facie violation. Period.
==> An aspect of this presidential election process that has received insufficient attention, IMO, concerns Clinton’s unsecured private email server while she was Sec. State.
“Insufficient attention.”
Too funny.
this whole thing is a complete joke
They can’t beat her, so their new, tough talking, total weakling fantasy is for the FBI to haul her off. Who taught these pansies to be men?
Well put, JCH. Thank you.
You motor–snippers– are whistling past the graveyard. The little granny is in the deep –snip–.
She answered this all again on the Fox News townhall yesterday. No emails were marked top secret when received or sent from her server. Emails often get marked top secret in retrospect when deciding what can be sent out in response to FOIA requests and at that stage more agencies get involved in the decision than the State Dept, so some of them may see something to restrict. From what she said, she still disagrees with any of those restrictions, but it is their choice at that stage.
The FBI doesn’t swallow BS spin, yimmy. You will find out sooner, rather than later.
The difference between Hillary and Petraeus is that Petraeus knew he had classified info and gave it out, while Hillary did not know it was going to be classified later, and didn’t give it out anyway.
Keep going with that classified later BS, yimmy. Oh, and she didn’t know. Not that it was her freaking JOB to know.
Can you explain how 2000 different pieces of information become “classified later”? Wasn’t it because when a Federal Judge ordered the stonewallers to release the emails to FOIA requester somebody in authority finally got to see the emails and they said: “OMG! this is secret stuff and should have never have been broadcast on the internet and kept on an unsecure homebrew server. We have to get a huge FBI task force to investigate this incredibly negligent, at the least, breach of security.”
Explain it, yimmy. Maybe a berry berry smart joker like you could help granny with her big problem. I can help you, if you are stuck on stoopid.
She didn’t even release anything. Nothing happened. It’s an investigation into nothing. Compare this to the pair of wikileaks of the DOD and State Depts which shows they have far worse security issues that actually did happen. It is nothing.
Jim D, perhaps you missed one specific point in my comment. There are two classes of information that are ‘born’ confidential. No decision or stamp required. The (now former) NSC IG publicly identified examples of both classes even in the early State department releases. That is an automatic national security violation. There is no “I did not know the rules” excuse for handling confidential US information. Hillary and her close associated staff are in what appears to be trouble. And every part of their spin has now been factually rebutted. When the WaPo chips in to help refute the spin, you can probably assume its serious trouble.
As I mentioned to Don, nothing was released, so nothing actually happened. Much worse things have been released by wikileaks with less congressional investigations. It is just politics here.
The gut feeling I am getting about Hillbilly’s server is that there are a lot more people and orgs in government that have private servers and do government business on them. I heard about one in the EPA to correspond with Enviro-notsee groups. So she will get a pass because other people do it, and I bet some will house classified info. Just my guess.
Colin Powell and some of Condi Rice’s staff, for example.
JimD,
That was in the dayz of carrier pigeons and hammers/stone/chisels.
You avoid answering any questions, yimmy. You are proven wrong on point after point, you just blithely move on to another obfuscation. Now it’s “nothing was released”, whatever that means. And some BS about wikileaks which is just a lame diversion. We are talking about the granny and her homebrew server case.
Secret stuff that was supposed to be kept on State Dept. secure communications systems and in secure locations was transferred by some freaking body onto hilly-billy’s private homebrew server that was set up in hilly-billy’s house and attached to the public WWW so granny could thwart Congressional oversight and FOIA. That is illegal, period.
Whether anything was “released” is a separate issue. We’ll hopefully find out what was exposed but it is assumed in cases of security breeches that somebody saw the stuff. It will never be proven that nobody hacked the server or read the thumb drive or found out stuff some other way. The secrets were exposed, period. Illegal.
We know that granny both sent and received secret stuff over the WWW. That is illegal. So we have prima facie evidence of thousands of counts illegal acts.
Then there is the copying of secret stuff to the thumb drive and removal and unsecure storage, the transfer of the server to another location where it was unsecure. The destruction of the original electronic record of the emails etc. etc. etc. Thousands more counts of illegality. And all you got to say about all that is BS. You are pathetic.
Nothing was released is the whole issue. I will stop at that. It is a waste of time.
Missed the debate tonite, but: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/09/whoa-jorge-ramos-just-asked-hillary-clinton-about-being-indicted/
You should have stopped a long time ago, yimmy. But we know about your character anyway, so you could not do your cred further damage.
It is fun to watch you squirm and wriggle and lie. The granny should get you as her scheister for the case. Then she could appeal based on having had totally incompetent representation.
The EPA doesn’t deal with TOP SECRET COMPARTMENTALIZED national security information, jim2. They didn’t put 150 FBI agents on this case because everybody does it. It’s a big deal.
The DOJ is run by Obama puppets, so they could decline to prosecute. Last resort, Obama could declare all the classified stuff unclassified. Pffft! Some legacy.
The FBI and the intel community will raise hell and that will likely be the end of granny’s career. Unless, there are enough ends justify the means creeps out there like yimmy, who will vote for granny no matter what.
Queen of Chaos is a book about Hillary Clinton by a leftist, Diane Johnstone. It does not deal with gossip or personal stuff, nor does it drift off subject to dwell more comfortably on right/Republican failings. The subject is Hillary Clinton and her foreign policy words and actions.
All the present candidates are a worry on matters external (and which will inevitably involve close allies like Australia), but Hillary is more than a worry. She will not be Bill 2. She will be Hillary 1. The form she has already posted as First Lady and as Secretary of State is pretty clear.
Clinton’s “smart power” is the most lethal cliche since “peace offensive”. Smart power entitles you to do anything because you’re smart and you’re you. Those smelly boys are all snips ‘n snails ‘n puppy dog tails and there’s no way they can do smart power. You have to be sugar+spice Hillary to do smart power (cackle, giggle).
Eisenhower, at the end of his presidency, went out of his way to warn about the military/industrial complex (and less famously about the rise of scientific elites). Hillary is why. Seldom has such brutality been wed to such determination and incompetence at such a high level. She is a violent person with an over-arching sense of mission and no idea what the mission is. Look out.
Mosomoso
I agree with much of what you wrote about Hilary, the idea that she could be President is as worrying as trump achieving that position, or indeed any of the candidates who have come to the fore at this time. However, what do you mean by ‘brutality?’
Tonyb
Tonyb, Serbs were bombed in Bosnia and in Serbia and no voice was louder (shouting genocide and the usual excuses) than Hillary Clinton’s.
She was strident over Iraq (quite a walk back there) and strident over supporting the Kiev kleptocracy.
But it is the Libya bombings and the (losing) attack on Syria that most show her brutality. The US could have looked at Iraq and Afghanistan and moderated, learned. Instead, Hillary used the Arab Spring to bomb for people who are sort of known to John McCain and who are sort of moderate. (This was what I meant by “unfocused”).
So, after two decades, Albanian kleptocrats and a couple of kingdoms are pleased with Hillary and the US…but nobody else is.
I know you need a “foundation” these days, and you need to take money from all sorts of dubious people. I know you need to fib and fudge in politics. I know the best will make mistakes.
But it is the gratuitous cackling and joking over Gaddafi’s death that should be the strongest warning against this woman, even if you don’t take into account the disastrous outcome for North Africa (and now Europe, where Italy (!) is now talking of leading NATO into war in its old colony.)
climate reason asks:
Here’s another example of the brutality that Clinton is capable of:
So what’s worse? Clinton’s hypocrisy towards Mexico? Or Trumps’ more explicit hostility?
As the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. once observed, “It may well be that the greatest tragedy of this period…is not the glaring noisiness of the so-called bad people, but the appalling silence of the so-called good people.”
Some men feel threatened by Hillary’s kick-ass attitude. Not me. I like a strong woman.
Get a room, Max. There may be some weak stomachs about.
You could look up all her hypocrisies, lies and contradictions but her buddies at Twitter removed the #whichhillary from their trending list……one day before the big Twitter Hillary fundraiser.
Change You Can Believe In!
Another gem from max:
“Not me. I like a strong woman.”
Translated: I love you mommy. Can I go out and play now?
timg56 raises the question of Hillary as a mother figure. George Washington was the first father of our country, so it would seem right to call Hillary our country’s first mother. I hope she paddles those naughty Republicans.
I think you are spot on mosomoso. It is one of the big reasons she scares me. She thinks she is smarter and better educated than most and therefore she should be entitled to make decisions for other people. Problem is she isn’t as smart as she thinks she is – perhaps only smart enough to recognize that most of the things she wants to enforce would never be willingly accepted by the majority of people, therefore she knows she needs the force of government behind her.
I think her husband, for all his failings, has a lot up top. Hillary is one of those people who walk into doors again and again but show exquisite cunning and inventiveness in explaining the black eyes. Again and again.
Having read bits of Michelle Obama’s thesis, I won’t say Hillary is the thickest female to tread the White House…but smart she is not.
Dumb and Dumber fear Hillary’s IQ.
Yeah, granny is very clever. She managed to hide those emails from Congress and FOIA for years. Almost got away with it. Too bad that clown Blumenthal got hacked. I sure hope the army of FBI agents hasn’t really found the equivalent of the blue dress that undid big billy’s lies. “I did not –snip– that woman…..” wagging his crooked finger for emphasis. Oh, the humanity! I hope Joker Joe Biden is ready in the bullpen.
Certain of the scarf-in-summer set may believe Hillary is a grown-up Lisa Simpson, bright ‘n feisty gal with a kickbutt attitude, rather than a sinister Oprah-flavoured neo-con with the corpse count and policy disasters to prove it. They must have been somewhere else this last decade or two. Or maybe their heads are so deep in HuffPo-land that facts don’t stand a chance.
Still, at this point, what difference does it make?
Don’t yer just long for some level headed-ness, not
Rousseau, not Robespierre, not mad monk Rasputin?
Bernie would be my first choice, but he’s going to lose to Hilary, my second choice.
If a Republican should win, I would prefer it not be Cruz.
Max shows up to provide the perfect example of the overarching characteristic of a Democrat I mentioned above.
One reason I want Hilary to win is so I can rub it in here at ClimateEtc.
That’s odd. I would prefer Bernie and Trump to be the nominees. Not that I like evil socialism, mind you, but because it would be great to let the people decide the direction of their country for once.
I see your point, but I don’t think Bernie is going to be nominated. It look like Trump against Clinton.
Syrian refugees, a product of Obama do nothing policy and a complicit State Department. Do we expect any better from Hillary?
Riho08,
Do we expect better of any?
RiHoo8 may think Obama incompetent for getting so few American soldiers killed.
You are really not very bright, maxie okie. Obama got a lot of our people killed in Afghanistan. Check the casualty numbers, after he took over and announced the timing of our pull out along with fairytale rules of engagement. Terrible waste of good people. Just a few weeks ago six dead. Administrative people out on foot patrol because not enough combat soldiers left behind to secure the base areas. Now you go ahead and make up some lame excuse for that. Blame it on Bush.
Under Bush about 4,400 American killed in Iraq, then about 600 more in Afghanistan, for a total of 5,000. Under Obama about 2,000 in Afghanistan. So Obama got 3,000 fewer Americans killed than Bush.
So obviously Obama doesn’t measure up when it comes to getting Americans killed. He got fewer killed, and Obama haters hold it against him.
I knew you would pull that crap, maxie okie. The military under C in C Bush fought two wars and took over two countries run by some very bad actors, defeating a couple of fairly sizable armies. Those decisions and casualties belong to Bush.
Obama wanted to be the leader and anything that went down after he took over is on him. Got that, dummy?
Obama cut out of a largely pacified Iraq leaving a void and chaos death and destruction ensued. Now he has sent a few of our best men back there for face saving political expediency, so as not to look like he is doing nothing. He doesn’t mind losing a few to keep up appearances.
Obama was in the process of doing the same type of bug out in Afghanistan but got slowed down again by political expediency.
Bush military took Afghanistan with maximum force and minimum casualties. Obama is abandoning Afghanistan after giving really stoopid advance notice and imposing really stoopid restrictive rules of engagement on the dwindling forces there that have unnecessarily cost a lot of lives in the process of turning the country back over to the Taliban.
Bush taking over and holding Afghanistan, enabling an elected government in the place of the thugs that had harbored the 9/11 terrorists-cost 600 killed. Obama bugging out and handing back to Taliban-cost 2,000 killed and more to come.
I don’t have anything else for you. I won’t stoop to your under a rock level any more. Enjoy yourself trying to annoy the denizens. That’s all you are here for.
My numbers trump your words. My numbers are hard facts. Your words are just opinions.
max10k
Let me spell it out for you: No Fly Zone
Syria is what I was talking about.
Think: off shore air power. Think: close support A10.
There. I’ve said it. Surprisingly, others have said it a number of years ago.
There has been a lot of criticism of Obama’s Syrian policy from both sides.
I think he is wary of military solutions that lack clear-cut favorable outcomes and favors erring on the side of diplomatic solutions. Maybe his critics are right about Syria, maybe not. History will tell. Currently, it looks like the cease fire in Syria is mostly holding up. We’ll see.
max1ok
“I think he is wary of military solutions that lack clear-cut favorable outcomes and favors erring on the side of diplomatic solutions.”
Helmuth von Moltke the Elder: “No battle plan survives the first enemy contact.”
Obama was not fit to be Commander-in-Chief as he has demonstrated. He sought certitude where there can be none.
He envisioned downsizing the military when America became the default world power after WW II. With that default to the US came responsibility and the obligation for even-handedness where appropriate and striking when conflagrations spread beyond borders. He had an opportunity in Syria, before the rise of Islamic State and introduction of Russian warplanes. There was plenty of time to alter judgements and make adaptive plans. His failure to do so reflects his being an ideologue and incapable for adaptation to new situations, data, facts, and a changing climate.
For being so bright and Harvard educated, his understanding of history reflects his blindness to all other history that isn’t US slavery, even that he fails to deduce its 21st century significance.
He was and still is a disaster of a US President. His Imperial Presidency will be his legacy.
“Obama was not fit to be Commander-in-Chief as he has demonstrated. He sought certitude where there can be none.”
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What a crock ! Obama may be the best ever, even better than Bill Clinton. It’s not surprising his successful leadership galls
those who differ with him on policies or never wanted to see a Black president.
max1ok
“It’s not surprising his successful leadership galls
those who differ with him on policies or never wanted to see a Black president.”
I am surprised at your assertion that Obama demonstrated successful leadership. He ruled by fiat and could not negotiated with the Congress.
Reagan on the other hand famously stated that he would be satisfied with 80% of what he wanted rather than riding off over the cliff with his flag waving. (words to that effect).
What Obama has implemented by fiat is subject to an equal and opposite fiat abandoning a policy. Undoing declaration policy can be problematic to be sure; yet, Obama has set in place for the future for others not negotiating with Congress and risking a herky-jerky impact on the bureaucracy which, more likely than not will make government activity as paralyzed as the current Congress/President legislative agendas.
I really hope I am wrong; however, bad governance has a way of reaching its tentacles into the future in unpredictable ways; ricocheting through future good and bad legislation.
Negotiating with a “our way or the highway” Congress means accepting all or nearly all of what they want. Why do that?
If you compare approval ratings of Obama and Congress, you will see Obama’s rating is much higher.
Can you provide an example of our President’s leadership?
Do you even understand what leadership is? Here is a hint max, it isn’t issuing Executive Orders. It is about getting people to do things they often would not do otherwise. Our President would do well to visit the Infantry School. After all he is the Commander in Chief.
He might notice a statue outside with the motto “Follow me”. And perhaps with coaching (and a teleprompter) he might comprehend what it means. Leadership is not telling people what to do and then standing back to see if it happens. It is not lecturing. Good leaders inspire people by setting an example to follow. They try not to tell people to do something they themselves can’t or won’t do. When ever possible they perform the same task as those they are leading and do it better than anyone else.
TimG56,
That executive order thingy again? Based on that metric then Obama is more of a leader (due to having issued fewer EO’s) than Reagan, G. Bush, GHW Bush, Nixon, LBJ, Dwight, FDR, et al. Reagan fanatics might just argue with that not being the best metric.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders
I’m not sure that’s an argument one should make.
Beat on Obama all you wish, and even stretch things out like Don’s Obama Phone’s, but please find a better tool?
” That executive order thingy again? ”
Count is not an accurate metric of the impact the President has had on the legislation it is written against.
I’d be surprised you didn’t already know they are an apples and oranges comparison.
Micro,
Respectfully, but quantity is one metric, and my suggestion to TimG to find a better tool still stands. Reagan 381 vs. Obama 226
So let’s look at apples and apples vs. oranges in this first example.
Examples from the revered Mr. Reagan (& Mr. Bush):
“Nearly three decades ago, there was barely a peep when Reagan and Bush used their authority to extend amnesty to the spouses and minor children of immigrants covered by the 1986 law.”
http://www.businessinsider.com/reagan-and-bush-made-immigration-executive-orders-2014-11
and maybe even a bit more substantial and relating to the constitution as a relative comparison to Obama’s actions considered to be counter to same: (expansion of the NSA scope and powers, see commentary under the Impact heading) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_12333
Reagan was considered to have a good relationship with Congress and certainly his buddy Tip, but 381 as opposed to Obama’s 226 vs. a ‘do nothing’, you’re a ‘liar’, Boehner led house/congress. Reagan produced some 40% more.
Actually, iirc the deal was he did this, and Congress was to , build appropriate walls, and other fencing to stop illegals from entering the US. That never happened, and while I haven’t gone and looked I suspect we’d find every attempt was blocked by a far larger number of Democrats, than Republicans.
Micro,
I’m not quite sure how a physical barrier fits in to the comparison of reactions to Reagan/Bush’s amnesty programs as opposed to Obama’s but whatever the case, here’s a bit of info about more recent (post 9/11) actions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_barrier
As far as ‘every attempt’ this political football has been in both hands and I suggest neither is incentivized to actually address the issue. I don’t blame one party. One can easily find evidence of hinderance from both, but one has to look.
Danny,
You can see the three pillars that were signed into law.http://asu.news21.com/archive/2009/the_first_immigration_amnesty/
I was mistaken, the deal was to double border patrol, best I can find. that did not happen, or happen for long.
And you’re right, both take blame, But Harry Reid did not allow bills to be voted on if he didn’t like them, he’s to blame for a lot of the problems in the Senate, including immigration.
Micro,
There’s a long history dating back to about 1975. That’s +/- 40 years blame for which cannot be placed at the feet of a single party/administration. I think 1986 was the last major reform passed.
Just a couple of tidbits for you: “The bill was a compromise based largely on three previous failed immigration reform bills…………..”The bill’s sole sponsor in the Senate was Majority Leader Harry Reid, though it was crafted in large part as a result of efforts by Senators Kennedy, McCain and Kyl, along with Senator Lindsey Graham, and input from President George W. Bush, who strongly supported the bill.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Immigration_Reform_Act_of_2007
Then: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_reform
Finally: (killed in the Rep. led house after bipartisan…….shocking……….support in the senate): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Security,_Economic_Opportunity,_and_Immigration_Modernization_Act_of_2013
Not sure why you’re attempting to frame this as a problem caused by the democrats when republicans are just as much the reason. Plenty of blame to go around.
Duh.
Micro,
It was me who suggested Harry Reid was the problem:”And you’re right, both take blame, But Harry Reid………..” I gave you links for a Reid (solely) sponsored approach. Who killed that? Then a bipartisan passed (under Reid) bill that the house would not bring up for discussion. That was the part I was responding to. No need for the duh.
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/12430-46-53-immigration-bill-goes-down-in-defeat
timg56, you might have a point if Obama could Courts Marshall members of Congress for disobeying orders.
You can already sense what Presidential historians, and the public, are going to say. He’s going to be celebrated by all except completely forgettable partisan hacks. Obama widely liked all over the world, and Americans are going to luv them some Obama if the get 4 years King Trump Louis XII”.
It’s not all about how many died on your watch max. That metric takes a very narrow scope of the situation. The winner of war is not determined by body count in the end.
Obama is a –spimp–. And I have known a lot better.
I’m not sure what military or what country or when you served, TMG, but in 1974-1978 in the USMC upper ranks gave orders to lower ranks then expected those orders to be carried out without question or hesitation.
Truman – good commander in chief or bad? Became President in 1945. Lots of victory to celebrate. WW1 officer. The buck stopped on his desk.
It doesn’t work exactly the same way on the battlefield as it does in the mess kitchen, springy. If you want the fighting troops to get something done, ‘follow me’ works a lot better than ‘follow orders’.
Danny,
It isn’t the numbers. It is the sum of what he has done. What legislation has he gotten passed into law? ACA is it and that was primarily due to Rahm Emanual, Reid and Pelosi.
Springer,
74 -79, same country as you served. Did they announce an award for biggest donkey’s butt or have you been drinking.
PS – if I need a refresher on how the Corps views leadership I have a long list of people I can ask, starting with our son.
TimG56,
Thank you for the modification. The EO argument (IMO) is weak and off point. However, the relationship with congress and vice versa is a reasonable issue. It is the job of the President to lead and the job of congress is to vet while protecting the purse strings. Again, IMO, there was failure in leadership on the part of both the President and Congress in this area.
Numbers and content of EO’s is important, but please note that Obama, while he may be the most recent, is no where near the most prolific nor the most egregious. And certainly he’s fodder for the cannons (canons?) of the other side.
Don, the army is not a democracy. It’s not let’s take a vote on what to do or follow the leader if you like, it’s follow the leader or face the consequences.
It’s really comical, and somewhat sickening, that a little know-nothing professional –snit– disturber is trying to lecture me on how the Army works. Jesus save us from these –snip– holes.
Don, it’s not clear to me from your posts that you have served in our armed services. But I don’t read everything you write, and may have missed something.
Don Monfort | March 9, 2016 at 8:32 pm |
“It doesn’t work exactly the same way on the battlefield as it does in the mess kitchen, springy. If you want the fighting troops to get something done, ‘follow me’ works a lot better than ‘follow orders’.”
Yeah right. You ever see a flag officer leading a charge? The volume of dipsh*ttery that emerges from your piehole is unf*ckingbelievable.
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/punitivearticles/a/mcm90.htm
My emphasis. Any questions, girls?
Don Monfort | March 9, 2016 at 11:59 pm |
It’s really comical, and somewhat sickening, that a little know-nothing professional –snit– disturber is trying to lecture me on how the Army works. Jesus save us from these –snip– holes.
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Someone needs to call you on your bullsh*t. Maxie is perfectly correct in this instance. In the military one doesn’t follows orders out of personal respect and admiration for the source. One obeys the rank not the person you insufferable twit.
It is not the flag officer’s job to lead the charge, springy. But if one of us had seen one do it, it would not have been you. The best flag officers would most likely have led men in battle. I could give you a list of the ones I know, but why bother.
By the way, I thought that in the Marine Corps they called them ‘general officers’, as is done in the Army and Air Force. Actually, I know that’s true. Are you sure you weren’t in the Navy, springy? That would account for some of your oddities. Check your DD214.
It’s easy to follow orders when you are a cook, springy. Your life and the lives of the people you are responsible for are not at stake. I disobeyed orders numerous times. You have to think and act on the fly, little lizard. Improvisation. Survival. Or just getting a job done a better way. They don’t have to know exactly what you are doing way out there on your freaking own with your –snip– hanging out in the breeze.
Sometimes you just have to ignore some really dumb –snip– passed along from some –snipping– clown sitting in a nice safe bunker way to the rear pushing pins around on a map.
Sometimes you get a medal for disobeying orders, sometimes you get a court marshal.
But you and maxie okie puke didn’t have to worry about any of that. That’s all I have for you monkeys on this subject.
Don,
“It’s easy to follow orders when you are a cook, springy. Your life and the lives of the people you are responsible for are not at stake.”
Have you tasted his cooking?
“courts martial” I should remember
Don, if you were an army cook you had a very important job. An army marches on its stomach.
Most Marine Corps traditions descend from the Navy not the Army you ignorant poseur-tool. The USMC symbol is an eagle, globe, and ANCHOR, Dummie Donnie.
I attended schools on Navy bases and was doctored by Navy doctors. And I have a current military ID card in my wallet with an eagle, globe, and anchor on it so I’m pretty sure I don’t need to consult my DD-214 to remind myself of which branch of the service I was in.
In furtherance of your much-needed ascent from the depths of belligerent ignorance:
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/glossarytermsf/g/flagofficer.htm
It applies to all officers in all branches of military who are permitted by rank to fly a flag marking their command post.
Now you know. Or at the least, now you’ve been told.
You can go with a literal interpretation of an about.com definition but I was speaking from experience, springy. I don’t recall that Marine, Air Force or Army general officers were generally referred to as ‘flag officers’, but that Navy Admiral types were commonly referred to as ‘flag officers’ as they often commanded and rode around in ships with big flags. On the other hand, many would not have a command, in which case they would not be ‘flag officers’. My guess is you never met a ‘flag officer’. In any case, when referring to non-specific general officers in any branch of the service it would be improper to call them ‘flag officers’ as a lot of them don’t have a freaking flag, lizard. If you had worked in the Pentagon in some capacity, other than as a cook, you would know that.
Whatever may be the details of military convention, your pointing out that ‘flag officers’ don’t actually go out and lead men on the battlefield is a point that is as trivial as it is absurd. You obviously don’t know anything about the battlefield, military leadership outside of a kitchen, which orders get followed and which don’t etc. etc. etc.
Congratulations on having a military ID card with an anchor on it. When you say that you volunteered to be a Vietnam-era Marine, are you implying that you actually served in or near Vietnam? Technically up to May 7, 1975 was considered Vietnam-era for vet benefits purposes, but my guess is you could have still been in training by that date. No need to answer that, just curious. Carry on with your overwrought reptilian foolishness. Try not to be so freaking angry, little dude.
As I recall, Springer was an MP. Also, if he was in-country, he would mention it in every post. Also, he previously admitted to wearing a size 9 shoe. One can interpret his Banty Rooster act is an over-compensation for short fingers like the presumptive rethuglican stooge, teh Dronald
I don’t see how it would be possible for anyone but a partisan to come to the conclusion that the entrhoning of the imperial presidency has been anything but a bipartisan affair:
He envisioned downsizing the military when America became the default world power after WW II. …
It is just very hard to know what this means, but Obama was born in 1961. By then a huge portion of the WW2 military had been mothballed, scrapped, sold off, decommissioned, etc. I would have to get out the books, but at the end of the WW2 there were 6 complete USMC divisions. My guess by 1961 is maybe two full, and bits and pieces of the other 4… a mere shadow of its WW2 strength.
JCH
It isn’t the size of the military, it is how it is used; i.e., judicious application of force. Prior to WWII, Russia had the largest army stationed along its Western Front and Germany rolled that army up like a Persian carpet.
The original point I was making regards Syria today. Syria began an internal civil revolution and 5 years later multiple millions of Syrians are refugees, many, outside of their country. In the lead up to this mass migration, there was a chance for US participation in a No Fly Zone which would have reduced the effectiveness of the Syrian air force against rebel positions.
However, the un-restrained air superiority of the Syrian loyalists slowly turned the tide particularly when Russian air power was applied.
Game over.
The US had aircraft carriers and various land based aircraft that could have enforced a No Fly Zone. The A-10 close ground support aircraft would have impacted the ground offensive. None of these military force components were used until way late in the war.
I am not clairvoyant and could have predicted a different outcome than the one today. I do know that without an early air warfare involvement, there was no chance for the US to change the course of history. As it stands, our Commander-In-Chief let the war in Syria play out with Putin’s and Iran’s forces able to turn the tide on Syria’s Arab Spring.
The slaughter of the remaining rebels is about to begin and woe be to those who come back to Syria from Western countries. There are words in Arabic for these people. None nice. And all a cause to be put to death.
Have you ever seen the results of pigs stomping through a daffodil field in Spring?
RiH008,
The more fundamental question, however, is this: Why should we involve ourselves in Syria’s civil war at all?
Only the neocons see a clear reason for our involvement in Syria.
But sadly, the only candidate amongst the current presidential hopeful who has articulated a willingness to take on the neocons is Donald Trump.
Here one of the leading realists, John J. Mearsheimer, explains in “America Unhinged” how our rulership class, on both sides of the aisle, Republican and Democrat, has become so intoxicated with neoconservatism:
Glen Stehle
” America’s nationalsecurity elites act on the assumption that every nook and cranny of the globe is of great strategic significance and that there are threats to U.S. interests everywhere.”
If one envisions America as a goliath with club in hand stumbling amongst the ruins of nations, then Mearshiemer is right.
Yet my argument is that leadership involves recognizing opportunities to act as well as opportunities that have passed them by, leaving well enough alone. This of course takes focus and attentiveness to what is going around one’s self; i.e., situation awareness. Obama has none; stuck as he is in ideology, frozen in time and space, entirely reactive and then doing so badly.
It seems to me that to evolve into Commander-in-Chief, one first has to be a second lieutenant who has some combat experience; i.e., leadership under fire. Alas, when the golden chalice has been handed to you through no effort of your own, you can do some amazing dumb things; again, as he has demonstrated.
Fundamentally, he lacks: situational awareness. He has appointed people in authority and with whom he communicates, those who agree with him.
Thus, he remains, clueless.
Polls show rise in Obama’s popularity since December.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html
Maybe it’s because the candidates make him look better and better.
Or people are developing a sense of happiness from the knowledge he will be gone shortly.
If Obama could run for President again, he would. There just aren’t enough racists and right-wing nutters out there to beat him.
You might be the most offensive character we have ever had around here, maxie okie. Beneath contempt. I gotta put you on the deep ignore list. You are pathetic.
I don’t see max as offensive. Just someone whose only role model was his retarded older brother.
I sometimes think he’s here just to see what reaction he gets. But then he says something so over the top idiotic that it can’t possibly be an act.
Don, thank you. Being offensive to the demographic most represented here at ClimateEtc is one of my objectives, so I am pleased to hear you think I am effective. If it weren’t for me and a few others, you probably would find the place less stimulating.
You’re not offensive Max. A minor annoyance would be an overstatement. You’re like Johnson grass in a wild meadow. Sure everyone would rather the weeds be pretty flowers or berry bushes instead of useless ugly grasses but it’s not really harming anything.
Don Monfort | March 9, 2016 at 1:14 am |
You might be the most offensive character we have ever had around here, maxie okie. Beneath contempt. I gotta put you on the deep ignore list. You are pathetic.
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Deep ignore list? Ok Dean Wormer, what’s next double secret probation?
And the way you say it. Like you had the discipline or constitution to actually follow through. You can possible keep from responding unless it comes down to me getting you put on double secret moderation. ROFL
Let’s be frank. Obama is President due to one attribute and one attribute only:his voice. Clone him with precisely everything else save his voice and he never would have made it.
If he had a voice like Johnny Mathis he would be doing gigs on Rush Street, crooning bars of “Chances Are” at the Palmer House and singing the National Anthem at Cubs games and Soldier Field.
You hit the target. Obama is a good looking man with a really nice voice. It’s a shame Hollywood didn’t snag him.
cerescokid | March 8, 2016 at 7:35 pm |
Let’s be frank. Obama is President due to one attribute and one attribute only:his voice.
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Obama is President because he kicked GOP butt. Hillary can do the same. Republicans know she can, but figure if they can make up enough lies about her, there’s a chance she might not win the election. The problem with that is decent Americans like myself she what the Republicans are up to.
It depends on what the meaning of the word “decent” is.
Decent as in moral, honest, polite, kind, and non-judgmental. In other words, just the opposite of a mean, low down, hateful Hillary-hating skunk.
Max,
The points are not exclusive. In other words your point has no meaning as a counterpoint to cerescokid’s.
It tells the Cisco Kid what I mean by “decent.”
That one attribute is racial heritage not voice. Anyone seriously thinks Obama would have got elected if he were a white first term Senator from Illinois must be smoking some of that Maui Wowie that Barry liked so much in high school.
Longer term views of President Obama’s popularity …
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
News Alert: Hillary Clinton says if elected there definitely will be a place in her cabinet for Marco Rubio.
Had to go back and re-look. Experienced some Deja Vu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot_presidential_campaign,_1992
Wait. You mean there’s a discrepancy? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-university-better-business-bureau_us_56df236fe4b0000de4064879
Scott Adams (the Dilbert guy) has some great thoughts on how Trump runs his debates.
http://blog.dilbert.com/tagged/Trump
The one a friend linked to me that got me started.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/126589300371/clown-genius
Here is another highly enjoyable post from Adams:
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/136272216441/trumps-language-skills-analyzed#comments
The video he refers to in the blog is actually located here:
That was excellent. Here is another one my daughter pointed me to from one of those internet video bloggers. Ignore the pop-teenage vibe, he has some interesting things to say:
agnostic2015,
That’s an interesting theory, but in the end it failed to predict.
It predicted that Trump would burn out and be brought down by the Republican establishment.
That hasn’t happened.
And in fact, as the attacks by the Republican establishment have become more strident and histrionic, Trump’s fortunes have only soared.
I think the video makes some great observations, such as the fact that Trump is a master communicator. But it looks like a phenomenon like the formation of a candidate like Trump is far more complex than the highly reductionist theory would lead us to believe.
@Glenn Stehle
Well I hope you are ultimately proven wrong. You guys can’t be serious about this bozo can you?
This guy is waaaay beyond the pale. It’s getting pretty scary the stuff we are seeing.
agnostic2015,
There’s a difference between what is, and what ought to be.
One should not confuse the two.
Nevertheless, many people never seem to be able to grasp the difference between an is and an ought, and labor under the delusion that an ought can always be made into an is.
What scares you, agnostic? Got any words? Specifics?
agnostic,
I learned long ago one can pretty much ignore anything a politician on the campaign trail says. I also believe that once the winner reaches the WH, gets briefed in and sees what an enormous responsibility it is, they sober up.
For me the biggest worry about a Trump presidency is not any of the stuff he’s getting criticized on. It is whether or not he will be able to get Congress to support anything he wants to do. Unlike his tv show, he can’t force the direction by simply firing members of Congress.
That said, this specter is less scary than Hillary in the White House. Her vision of America is something from the depths of hell as far as I am concerned. I don’t need Nanny Hill (or Granny Hill as Don refers to her) trying to tell me how to do every little aspect of my life. I already have my wife for that and at least I know she cares. Whatever Hillary cares about certainly does not include you or me.
What bothers me about Trump is narcissism. I don’t believe he gives a damn about anything other than himself.
Good observation Springer.
See the difference when you are sober. Or are you bipolar.
I’m not bipolar and I haven’t had a drink in over a month. Perhaps you are projecting. Or just trying and failing to be a clever little ass. Yes, I do believe it’s that second thing.
timg56:
“It is whether or not he will be able to get Congress to support anything he wants to do. ”
Read the adams blog posts. If you haven’t, you don’t know what Trump is doing, and how he is a master persuader.
Trump has been in the business of taking people with different perspectives, and driving towards what he wants. He can’t sell anything unless you are willing to buy, for instance. Now, politicians are jaded, but Trump has what they want: votes. He will do very well in shaping the system. So long as the people want what he is selling, and so far, they do.
” No Cruz supporter would prefer Clinton. ”
Uh, I said the eGOP, as in establishment GOP. Cruz called Mitch McConnell a liar. Cruz is hated by the establishment GOP. Cruz supporters are quite anti establishment eGOP.
eGOP wanted Jeb!. Then they tried Rubio. And finally, they turned to Mitt Romney, who established socialized medicine in MA, and who Obama deemed the architect of the ACA.
agnostic2015, I think you should read the Scott Adams blogs. You are missing the point. The point was that Donald owned that question, just like he has owned just about every question.
If the eGOP doesn’t figure out how to derail Trump, and they are running out of options, he will win the R. nomination, and then he will turn on Hillary.
It’s worth voting for Trump just to see that battle.
On the one hand, you have a true blue Democrat liar banking on the press and identity politics (including her vagina) to carry the day in it’s a “her turn to be president” message. Tone deaf, and with lots of baggage. Oh, and she knows all the inside speak.
On the other hand, you have a guy with as much baggage, but who connects with people, and is highly tuned to what people think and want. Not perhaps able to say who runs ali baba, but we will see how well that pans out in the debates.
Who is going to win? The liar? Or the huckster? My bet is on the huckster.
timg56 expresses a fear of strong women. Sees Hillary as a disciplinary mommy or stern nun who will punish him for being naughty.
That’s really messed up, but also funny.
max,
quit pulling stuff out of your a$$. Making fun of the ridiculous crap you post has no bearing on what my opinions on women are. You talking about nuns says more about your possible thoughts and fantasies than anything I’ve said.
Hillary has provided ample evidence throughout her career that she believes she is better suited for making decisions for people than they are. She also has demonstrated she is well aware that the majority of people would not willingly support much of what she thinks needs to be done. Which is why she chose a career in government. What you can’t convince people to do, you try to force them when you believe you know better.
The fact polls show her barely beating out Trump if the election were tomorrow is better evidence for people worried about Trump than it is for believing they support Hillary.
You just expressed what your opinions on women are (mommy, nannie, etc). With Hillary as President, you can blame all your troubles on her, rather than take responsibility for your own failings. Sounds like a good deal for you. So vote for Hillary.
There’s an image I didn’t need.
I conjecture that just about every Republican is ABC (anybody but Clinton) so if Trump gets the nom he can count on them. If a lot of independents are “stick it to the man” types (Trump’s big constituency), which seems plausible, then he can win in November. It could be that easy.
Uh, the eGOP and the donorship are behaving as if they would prefer Hillary. Including threatening to run a 3rd party candidate, which would ensure Hillary.
I do not see that. No Cruz supporter would prefer Clinton. A third party has not even been seriously threatened, much less emerged. Why would it? What are you reading? Sanders is more likely to spawn a third party than Cruz. The two party system gives Trump a real shot.
Cruz’s daddy fought along side Castro in the Cuban Revolution. The acorn doesn’t fall far from the tree,
It’s “the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree” numbnuts.
” No Cruz supporter would prefer Clinton. ”
Uh, I said the eGOP, as in establishment GOP. Cruz called Mitch McConnell a liar. Cruz is hated by the establishment GOP. Cruz supporters are quite anti establishment eGOP.
eGOP wanted Jeb!. Then they tried Rubio. And finally, they turned to Mitt Romney, who established socialized medicine in MA, and who Obama deemed the architect of the ACA.
I see no sign that the “eGOP” (your coined term, apparently) prefers Clinton to Trump or that they are considering a third party candidate.
So acorns do fall far the tree?
Reblogged this on TheFlippinTruth.
“I’m one of those Republicans who thinks we are getting warmer and that we contribute to that.” ~Mitt Romney
Waggy, I went to graduate school with Mitt (3 year overlap), and then worked with him together a few years (2.5) before he disloyally bolted to Bain from BCG. Mitt stuff I personally experienced.
BTW, the present Isreali Premier, Ben Nitay, was known by that alternate name during his same time in greater Boston. Over lapped him at HBS both his 2 MBA years due to my joint Harvard Law/Business program circumstances.
Mitt projected to my small circle a year in advance (2011) that he could not win. Sadly, that projection was right. Ben Nitay projected even back then political leadership, which he has shown again and again leading Israel now (2016).
Just a small personal perspective from deep in the trenches.
If our choice had been Bibi instead of Mitt the election might have been a lot different…!
Love the name-dropping, it confirms everything.
The biggest difference between you and Mitt is that Mitt isn’t a loser spending all his time making comments on an obscure climate blog.
You really aren’t able to see yourself as others see you?
Translation from Politisheesh to English: CO2 Bad! Me Good!
A historic opportunity is now developing which could put the United States back on track in its efforts to greatly reduce its carbon emissions while greatly expanding its reliance on wind, solar, and nuclear energy.
The Republicans are likely to nominate a xenophobic narcissist playboy, Donald Trump, as their 2016 presidential candidate. It is a choice which will guarantee the election of Hillary Clinton in November, probably in a landslide vote of epic proportions.
Unless the Federal Government takes bold action to greatly increase the price of all carbon fuels and to impose direct restrictions on their supply and availability; the US will not be doing what is necessary to move decisively away from fossil fuels and towards the renewables, wind and solar, and towards increased reliance on nuclear power.
Even a Congress controlled by Democrats will not take this kind of bold action. However, President Obama and the EPA already have all the legal authority they need to greatly reduce America’s carbon emissions, and to do so without needing another new word of legislation from the US Congress.
They have had this authority since 2010 when the EPA’s Section 202 Endangerment Finding for carbon was successfully defended in the courts. That Endangerment Finding has been on the books for five years and could have been used as the starting point for developing a broadly-applied carbon reduction framework operating under Sections 108, 111, and 202 of the Clean Air Act.
There is still time for President Obama to act before he leaves office. This is how it can be done:
1) The President issues an Executive Order declaring a carbon pollution emergency and directing that all agencies of the Executive Branch cooperate with the EPA in developing an across-the-board carbon reduction plan.
2) The President petitions the EPA to issue a Section 108 Endangerment Finding for carbon pollution, using the previously published Section 202 finding as the model.
3) Working under Section 108 provisions, the EPA sets a National Ambient Air Quality Standard (NAAQS) for carbon pollution, taking into account the fact that CO2 is a well-mixed gas on a worldwide scale.
4) The EPA develops a broad-scope carbon pollution reduction plan operating under Sections 108, 111, and 202 of the Clean Air Act, a plan which applies to all of America’s carbon emission sources and which fairly and equitably distributes the burdens of regulatory compliance across all classes of carbon emitters.
5) The EPA’s regulatory framework imposes direct limitations on America’s carbon emissions, and it includes a corresponding system of carbon pollution fines which is the functional equivalent of a legislated tax on carbon.
6) The EPA works with the state governments to enforce the carbon reduction plan, and creates a strong incentive for gaining the cooperation of the state governments by assigning all revenues collected from carbon pollution fines to the states.
When it comes to initiating truly serious action against America’s carbon emissions, President Obama and the EPA Administrator have been sitting on their hands for half a decade. For the last five years, they’ve had all the authority they need to enforce strict across-the-board reductions in America’s carbon emissions, not just those from coal-fired power plants. But they haven’t used their authority.
As soon as the election results are announced, President Obama should take advantage of the voter’s clear mandate by declaring a carbon pollution emergency, which is the first step of the six step strategy outlined above. He will thus have initiated the process of creating a truly comprehensive and effective carbon reduction plan for the United States while at the same time setting a bell-weather example for other nations to follow.
That action, if he decides to take it, will start the crucial work of building the kind of regulatory foundation that Hillary Clinton can use both to greatly reduce America’s carbon emissions and also to place much greater emphasis on the production of wind, solar, and nuclear energy.
This crap is exactly why people will elect Trump. To kill this insane BS.
Cruz would be much more effective in developing a rational energy policy and getting rid of the crap. So would Kasich.
Yep. Cruz and Rubio are unelectable.
Rubio is getting hammered in Michigan. Apparently, Kasich took away moderates from him.
“Cruz would be much more effective in developing a rational energy policy and getting rid of the crap. So would Kasich.”
I like Cruz. But, he will not win the general for two reasons: legal questions over his eligibility (even if he is eligible), and because he is too socially conservative. I know Trump is radical, but the current path looks so bad it’s hard to imagine it getting worse.
Kasich isn’t winning any states, so he isn’t worth considering.
Donald Trump is a New York Republican. He’s not going to kill anything. They’re basically liberals who were bred during a closet interlude at a cocktail party at the finest country club. They are Republicans because they think only people who were bred during a closet interlude at a cocktail party at the finest country club are fit to lead. It’s that king thing from Europe, the closet interlude blood thing.. fine breeding.
Look at the gold in King Trump Louis’s condo:
Rejoice! The EPA will double your energy bill for nothing gained!
So, what energy source exactly would you use to power the machinery used to mine the raw materials needed to manufacture wind turbines and solar panels, transport them, manufacture them, maintain them, back them up, tear them down and dispose of them when they are retired? The concrete and rebar base of a single turbine is over 1000 tons, or, 2,000,000 pounds. EROEI for wind turbines is likely net negative given many factors, one being that they must draw energy from the grid to maintain temperature and blade integrity when the wind does not blow.
It is blind ideological st00pidity like your post that helps explain why this country is in such trouble. Green “solutions” are not even possible without fossile fuels, so legislate them away so we can reirr to dung and wood burning stoves.
http://www.aweo.org/problemwithwind.html
http://www.theautomaticearth.com/2012/10/renewable-energy-the-vision-and-a-dose-of-reality/
Barnes, the president has committed the United States to reducing our carbon emissions 28% by 2025, 32% by 2030, and 80% by 2050. Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders have stated their commitment to those targets.
It is impossible to reach those targets without a substantial commitment to nuclear power. But an expansion of nuclear power cannot be achieved in this country unless the Federal Government puts a stiff price on carbon, thus eliminating competition from natural gas.
I’ve worked nuclear construction and operations for more than three decades; I know from my own experience what drives its high capital costs; and I regard claims that the high capital costs of the large 1200 Megawatt nuclear plants can be reduced substantially through deregulation of the nuclear construction industry as being completely ludicrous.
Left to their own devices, America’s power marketers will move strongly towards natural gas; and so powering the grid with a combination of wind, solar, and nuclear rather than natural gas is strictly a public policy decision.
Advocates of the renewables claim they can cover most of America’s energy needs with wind and solar, and that they can do it at a cost which is less than either nuclear or natural gas. I think these claims are likewise ludicrous, but the politicians who determine public policy in some regions of the country have their ear, particularly those politicians who set public policy in California and in the US Northeast.
By about 2025, if not sooner, nuclear power will have been eliminated from the energy portfolios of California and the US Northeast. If the politicians of those two regions decide to reject gas-fired generation as an option, and if environmental activists in the US Northeast succeed in blocking construction of the new transmission capacity needed to gain access to Canadian hydro power, then the renewables advocates will have the golden opportunity they need to prove they are right and the skeptics are wrong.
In any case, the EPA currently has all the authority it needs to regulate all of America’s carbon emissions, not just those from coal-fired power plants. But the EPA has not pursued that path, it has not used its full legal authority in reducing America’s carbon emissions. The EPA and the Obama Administration have chosen instead to push the Clean Power Plan, a plan which is guaranteed to fail — almost designed to fail, in fact.
The election of Hillary Clinton as our president is now a virtual certainty. If America’s environmental activists truly believe that carbon emissions are a dire threat to the planet, they must hold Hillary Clinton’s feet to the fire once she assumes office and demand that she use the full legal authority of the Federal Government in forcing a substantial reduction in America’s carbon footprint.
Beta,
Obama didn’t “commit” the US to anything. He can’t.
timg56: “Beta, Obama didn’t “commit” the US to anything. He can’t.”
Of course he can, rhetorically, at least. Which, for those who believe that carbon emissions represent a serious danger to the planet, ought to be rightly taken as a firm commitment on his part to do all that he can legally and constitutionally do as President and Chief Executive to greatly reduce America’s carbon footprint.
What is at issue here is that those who should be most aggressive in pushing President Obama and Gina McCarthy to walk the talk on climate change are not holding either the President or the EPA Administrator to account for not doing all that can be legally and constitutionally done to greatly reduce America’s carbon emissions.
Where is Bill McKibben? Where is Bernie Sanders? Where is Hillary Clinton? Where are Senators Markey and Whitehouse? Where is Representative Grijalva? Where are Arnold Schwarzenegger and Governor Brown? Where are the Sierra Club lawyers, the NRDC lawyers, and the Children’s Trust lawyers?
Why aren’t they all standing together at a climate action rally on the steps of the Capitol Building demanding that President Obama and EPA Administrator McCarthy use the Clean Air Act to its maximum possible effectiveness in forcing across the board reductions in all of America’s carbon emissions?
Beta,
Here is the key term in your response: “rhetorically”. In other words, trying to spin a subject which you know you don’t have a leg to stand on. (By “you” I’m referring to anyone employing the technique, not you specifically.)
And the part about “ought to be rightly taken as a firm commitment” is more meaningless commentary. What people might believe about carbon emissions has no bearing on what a President can commit to. That is determined by law. Even if a majority of our citizens demanded action, the President can’t do something which he lacks the power under the Constitution to do. He would first have to change the law.
“to do all that he can legally and constitutionally do as President ” Which I pointed out is not want you are arguing for. You are arguing for him doping something he cannot do legally and constitutionally. Which is make commitments to foreign governments that have the force of law.
As to whether Obama and the EPA are not doing all they can, I’d point to the recent SC ruling staying implementation of the CPP as evidence they are trying hard enough so as to have pushed the limits of what they are legally entitled to do.
Beta – I agree with the need to move toward nuclear – it is simply a common sense approach to solving much of our future energy requirement – regardless of peak oil or the claim that we need to reduce carbon emissions (which is absolutely idiotic given that if you want a greener planer, you want more co2, not less – it’s not pollution, it’s the gas of life). My real issue with your approach is the top down, ram it down our throats, especially when the consequences are far more likely to be quite negative, and more especially when you consider that nuclear is the least viable alternative from a political – not engineering or practical – standpoint, and that green energy advocates will insist on the completely non-viable alternatives of wind and solar. Maybe it’s not the approach you prefer, but it’s the approach stated, and if taken, I think would be catastrophic.
Anyway, thank you for your considerate response. My sense is that we may be in more agreement than not.
timg56: “As to whether Obama and the EPA are not doing all they can, I’d point to the recent SC ruling staying implementation of the CPP as evidence they are trying hard enough so as to have pushed the limits of what they are legally entitled to do.”
The Supreme Court has already ruled that the Clean Air Act can be used to legally and constitutionally regulate America’s carbon emissions. It did so in 2010 when it upheld the EPA’s Section 202 Endangerment Finding for carbon.
Now, if the EPA had been truly serious about using the Clean Air Act to regulate America’s carbon emissions, it should then have moved forward with publishing a Section 108 Endangerment Finding for carbon and with setting a NAAQS for carbon, thus broadening the scope of its carbon reduction efforts to cover most all of America’s carbon emission sources. What the EPA did instead was to spend several years developing and publishing the Clean Power Plan.
Carbon emissions are everywhere ubiquitous in the American economy. If one is intending to use the Clean Air Act to reduce carbon emissions in a fashion which is fair and equitable to all those affected by carbon regulation, the CAA must be applied across the board to all classes of carbon emitters, meaning that everyone who emits carbon for any personal or commercial economic purpose must become a direct participant in America’s carbon reduction efforts.
Carbon regulation under the Clean Air Act is by necessity an all or nothing thing. Legal challenges to the Clean Power Plan don’t claim the EPA doesn’t have the legal authority needed to regulate carbon. The challenges rightly claim that the CPP does not apply the Clean Air Act in accordance with the intent of the law or in ways which are consistent with past practice.
The CPP unfairly assigns responsibility for America’s major carbon reduction efforts to just one industry, the coal industry. It has the collateral impact of reversing long-standing national energy policy without taking account of the many adverse impacts affecting past investment decisions. It places burdens on the state governments which go far beyond carbon regulation into the enforcement a substantially revised, nationally-dictated energy policy.
The way the CPP has been structured and implemented guarantees that it will fail. It will fail to achieve the President’s carbon reduction targets because it doesn’t cover the bulk of America’s carbon emission sources. It will likely fail in the courts because it applies the Clean Air Act in ways which are not consistent with the intent of the law and which are not consistent with past practice. The CPP is a piece of gesture politics intended to appease environmental activist groups while at the same time not placing too many near-term compliance burdens on the general public at large, burdens which would force the average person to begin making serious lifestyle changes in the service of carbon footprint reduction.
The six step strategy outlined above recognizes that if the Clean Air Act is to be used in forcing a substantial reduction in America’s carbon footprint, it must be applied fairly and equitably to all classes of carbon emitters, not just to the coal industry.
The six step strategy would set carbon reduction goals in accordance with President Obama’s stated targets, but would allow the individual states to decide how they would go about achieving compliance. The individual state governments would be free to choose what mix among the options of wind, solar, nuclear, and energy conservation measures they would be relying upon to reach their target goals. Imposing a series of carbon pollution fines managed and enforced by the state governments, fines which are the functional equivalent of a legislated tax on carbon, would be the cornerstone feature of the strategy.
What would happen if the six step strategy were to be adopted?
First, the incentive for state governments to participate in the plan would be almost irresistible. It is conceivable that after a period of two decades or so, carbon pollution fines would represent the bulk of the revenues state governments collect to support their operations. Money is power, and the flow of money into the states from carbon pollution fines would represent a major shift of power away from the Federal Government into the state governments.
Second, the impact on the public debate over climate change would be huge. Once it became clear that serious sacrifices on the part of the American public were necessary to achieve the Federal Government’s carbon reduction targets, the debate over the validity of today’s climate science would reach critical mass — something which will never happen as long as the American public is not being asked to make serious personal and economic sacrifices in the service of greatly reducing America’s carbon footprint.
Sounds like Illinois politics: 47% + 97% = 144% of the vote!
My father voted Republican all is his life, but now that he passed away, he votes democrat.
Ha! Comment of the day.
I second that.
If it isnt Trump in 2016 it will be Hillary.
Four more years of placating BLM, to the point of anarchy, shoving ‘white privilege’ down our throats, government setting wages via diversity calculations, continued hemmoraging to multinational corporate con artists and the you can guarantee the neocons will be gone for eternity and that a far right candidate will win 2020. How far right depends on how bad things get. I wouldnt rule out facism at that point, the people are primed for it. At that point the paranoid anti fascist left may actually become their own self fulfilling prophecy.
I love the thought of being lectured by Liberals in the morning. I used to start my day with Corn Flakes. Now it’s just with Flakes.
Nothing terrifies liberal fascists more than people who are free to make choices for themselves.
Wagathon,
You mention “liberal fascists.”
There’s not been near enough attention paid to the autocratic and anti-democratic tendencies which exist on the left.
Many, and especially those with the most Hitleresque and Stalinesque tendencies themselves, have pointed an accusing finger at Trump, comparing him to Hitler. But Sanders, equally dangerous to our republic and its democratic institutions, has gotten a free ride.
It’s as if right-wing tyrants like Hitler are monsters, but left-wing tyrants like Stalin are OK.
Of course there’s nothing new about the left’s inability to subject itself to any serious soul searching or self examination:
So despite the sugar coating, the climatariat is every bit as scary as Trump is.
Take, for instance, the statements by Sanders cited by Turbulent Eddie above:
Polls consistently show, however, that at least two-thirds of Americans reject Sanders’ conclusions.
But here’s the rub: the climatariat takes the people’s rejection of its sure “scientific” truths as a sign that democracy has failed, and therefore that democracy must be done away with. It all harkens back to the old “we will force them to be free” meme, first formulated by Johann Gottlieb Fichte in the 18th century.
Take this, for instance, from an interview with Naomi Oreskes:
Oreskes’ philosophy is similar to the “we must destroy the village to save it” philosophy which evolved during the Vietnam War, reformulated to “We must destroy democracy to save it.”
I could go on. There’s much more.
But one should be able to get the idea: The climatariat is no friend to democracy. Its autocratic and anti-democratic political philosophy poses a threat to our republic and its democratic institutions.
Glenn,
Based on that chart there appears to be a ‘hiatus’ in concern that GW is happening/will happen all while the increase in the concern levels that GW will pose a serious threat to way of life. (Comparison to GW/CO2?)
How did Gallop frame the ‘serious threat’? Was it physical changes to climate or policy changes?
Or, just read the nonsense posted by Beta Blocker above. About as fascist and totalitarian as you can imagine.
Its Puritanism at heart. The American pragmatic tradition went wanky and started viewing democracy as their little mind control experiment.
The anti-facist paranoids didn’t help.
The result is a nanny state of epic proportions!
http://www.amazon.com/After-Liberalism-Democracy-Managerial-State/dp/0691089825/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1457539422&sr=8-1&keywords=after+liberalism
Danny Thomas,
Oreskes and the co-author (Erik Conway) of their apocalyptic prophecy, The Collapse of Western Civilization, have moved beyond the denial stage.
They’ve given up on the dream of bringing about radical social and political change through mass mobilization and electoral politics.
In Collapse, for instance, they write:
So one of the recipes for consolidating power — a populist strongman rising to power through mass mobilization and electoral politics — is not an option. As an alternative Oreskes and Conway turn to the communist model, which explains their love affair with China’s authoritarian, non-democratic regime.
In the communist model the totalitarians come to power not by popular mandate of the people and electoral politics, but by a mass minority seizing control of the bureaucracy and the state’s other instruments of violence. Only then can the totalitarians implement their “scientific management,” as Stalin called it, and begin “a wave of repression that almost immediately outdid czarist repression by an order of magnitude,” as Jonathan Schell describes it. In The Unconquerable World Schell explains how the communists’ rose to power in Russia and the aftermath:
Glenn,
Well thanks for that, but not sure how that answer my question about how Gallop framed their poll questions.
Oreskes? Meh.
Wags,
Particularly when those people own guns.
Though these days I recommend they follow Springer’s example and add reloading equipment to their collection.
Neither Rubio nor Cruz can win. They dont promise reverse racism and, almost inconceivably, they actually have less charisma than chinese dictator suit Hillary.
Clinton has lots of charisma, which is why only Trump can beat her, dark magic against dark magic. Issues have nothing to do with it. I realize the issue pundits cannot accept this, but it is charisma all the way down. Obama set the stage, let the play begin.
The neocons are done. They had their chance; their sordid leftist/evangelical facist warmongering history is exposed for the world to see.
Trump is a phenomenon; he has the prestige the others lack. We know him and have known him for decades. He is no saint, but he is one of us (speaking for mainstream American’s), one of the 1980’s crew.
Hillary will get, of course, the self hating/Western hating social justice crew, the ones who despise their own civilization, despite it being the one liberal civilization the world has ever seen.
Not sure how to call the Hillary/Trump thing.
Looks like Trump is dominating Michigan and Mississippi. Florida will be interesting. Rubio and Kasich should both drop out. It would probably end up helping Cruz, but right now they are just muddying the waters.
In a contested primary their delegates become bargaining chips. Trump will offer them a sweet deal. Maybe even all the Trump Steak they can eat for the rest of their lives. That would work for me!
An egregious flaw in the Constitution as amended has become apparent. An unintended consequence of term limit (amendment XXII) is a president, in second term, has no political motivation to attend to the freedom and prosperity of the electorate because the only remedy available is impeachment, which requires concurrence of 67 senators and may not be doable. This can be corrected by amendment to the Constitution providing for recall in the second term. (Nineteen states provide for recall of state officials.)
In Sweden Trump is misunderstood. As a result of media campaigning.
Or incompetent translators. :)
Sew the wind and reap the whirlwind.
Daniel Yankelovich saw this coming back in 1991 in Coming to Public Judgment:
Yankelovich predicted that back in 1991, and now it’s coming true.
So the scientists and other technocrats sowed the wind, and now the American people must reap the Sanders/Trump whirlwind.
The author of the CNN article opines that
It looks like the chances of the GOP establishment stopping Trump in Florida are highly unlikely, and in Ohio polls show Trump on the move as well.
Nationally, all the vicious attacks on Trump by the Republican establishment show to have had little effect on his popularity:
Trump inquiries. Trying to find out what he does instead of listening to what he says.
These are some of what was found. Anyone have others which they care to share?
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/12/15/3732445/trump-hotel-union/
http://www.mediaite.com/print/trump-once-cut-off-medical-care-for-sick-infant-to-spite-the-parents/
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-07-07/donald-trump-s-employees-don-t-share-wealth-in-401-k-plan
He’s the perfect republican candidate, which is why he’s winning. Regal. King Trump Louis 12″. Just look at his gilded marble columns:
JCH,
Perfect Republican candidate? “Donald Trump: There’s many different ways, by the way. Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, “No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private. But–”
Scott Pelley: Universal health care.”
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/28/trump-pushes-single-payer-healthcare-tax-increase-on-wealthy/
Well, for decades Republicans fought universal commie healthcare like it was the spawn of the devil csars. This forced people who wanted a solution to look at private-government hybrids like hillarycare and romneycare and obamacare. Once Obamacare became law, lots of Republicans started warming up to the spawn of the devil – it is a lot cheaper.
King Trump Louis XII” is hard.. ly the first.
I just enrolled in veteran’s health care. Very pleased with it so far. My doctor on the first visit spent an uninterrupted hour with me and the technician another half hour. That’s more than my private GP has spent with me in the past 10 years in two dozen office visits. And the VA out-patient clinic is 10 minutes closer to home.
The money I save over my former private plan is equal to the mortgage payment on a second home I’m buying a mile down the street. Got a 0% down VA Home Loan for the new house too.
If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em.
The inescapable conclusion – to deletion without reply – of my message to the AGU President requesting permission to meet openly in public with members of AGU and NAS to receive and openly respond to experimental evidence the Sun is the pulsar remnant of a supernova that made our elements and birthed the solar system 5 Ga ago, . . .
http://crescopublications.org/pdf/ASSOA/ASSOA-2-005.pdf
. . . is the AGU and NAS (National Academy of Sciences) have taken control of US policy on geo-engineering of planet Earth, . . .
. . . as former President Eisenhower warned about in his farewell address to the nation in January 1961.
IS DONALD TRUMP THE ANTI-CHRIST? IS THE END NIGH?
Is Donald Trump the Anti-Christ?? (Sorry Obama, YOU’RE FIRED!! There’s a New Devil in town.) Read this and weep oh ye of too much faith.
“ And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practice, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without.
Not convinced? How about the name Donald: From the Gaelic name Domhnall which means “ruler of the world”, composed of the old Celtic elements dumno “world” and val “rule”.
Still not convinced? How about trump? To trump is to outrank or defeat someone or something, often in a highly public way. How much more proof do you need, seeing a 666 tattoo on his stubby hand’s compatriot? Ask Christy, I’m sure he’d know.
OK, what about the second day?
The technocrats control the politicians. If the technocrats wanted a border wall, the Redimowits and Dimowits would be crawling all over each other to get it built.
From the article:
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Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg on Tuesday signed on to a brief submitted to the Supreme Court urging the justices to support President Obama’s executive actions that temporarily protect some undocumented immigrants from deportation and gives them the ability to legally work in the United States.
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http://fusion.net/story/277919/mark-zuckerberg-immigration-supreme-court-obama-executive-action/
A couple of more articles that go beyond the self-serving “Trump and the people who vote for him are evil Republicans” and “I am such a wonderful and decent Democrat” meme:
“Millions of ordinary Americans support Donald Trump. Here’s why
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/07/donald-trump-why-americans-support
Donald Trump Is Alienating Neoconservatives—and Antiwar Democrats Should Worry
http://www.thenation.com/article/donald-trump-is-alienating-neoconservatives-and-anti-war-democrats-should-worry/
Here are the charges Trump will level against Hillary, although he won’t use these words.
Hillary will not have that easy of a time fending off the charges, mainly because they’re so obviously true.
What’s the difference between Hillary and an establishment Republican? Substantively, nothing.
Watching this circus from across he Pond, one thing strikes me as obvious, and yet most of you Cousins haven’t grasped it yet.
Trump’s supporters – and they appear to be coming from the ranks of both the Republican and the Democrat ex-supporters – aren’t about to vote for him for what he IS, they’re going to vote for him for what he ISN’T- and that is a professional politician.
Because just like the LibLabCon party in the UK, people are sick of being forced to choose between functionally identical parties that on all substantive issues, you can’t get a cigarette paper between.
EVERYBODY is sick to death of professional politicians with all that that entails and it shows – not just in the USA either.
Amen to that. There is not a dime’s worth of difference between most dems and republicans – they simply want to hold onto power, or just the gravy train that the current political system offers those fortunate enough – or more accurately, corrupt enough – to stay in office.
Here is a simple lesson on who NOT to vote for.
https://www.prageru.com/courses/political-science/who-not-vote
Catweazle666 & Barnes,
So wish for the time I can stand up and pound the table FOR a candidate instead of a process of elimination. Even Don and his megaphone seem mostly to be in protest of others (unless I’m reading him wrong).
From the article:
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“J’accuse Donald Trump”
Watching the candidacy of Donald Trump, I am continually struck by his resemblance to a man who came to power in a far-off land nearly 85 years ago, a historical epic that I had naively hoped was well buried in the past.
Consider the following:
— Adolf Hitler held gigantic rallies, where he inspired millions with rousing speeches. Donald Trump holds gigantic rallies, where he inspires millions with rousing speeches.
— Adolf Hitler talked about making his country great again. Donald Trump talks about making his country great again.
— Adolf Hitler promised military victories. Donald Trump promises military victories.
— Adolf Hitler had a loyal and overweight henchman, Hermann Goering. Donald Trump has a loyal and overweight henchman, Chris Christie.
— Adolf Hitler blamed a specific group of immigrants for all the nation’s problems (Ed: Jews weren’t immigrants — Close enough!). Donald Trump blames a specific group of immigrants for all the nation’s problems.
— Adolf Hitler vowed to build a wall (Ed: Wait a minute — when did Hitler talk about a wall? Shhhh! Nevermind!) Donald Trump vows to build a wall.
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http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2016-03-09.html
jim2,
It is true that Hitler was a right-wing populist strongman (in Latin America they call them caudillos) who rode to power through mass mobilization of the working class.
It is also true that Hitler would later betray the working class to the oligarchs, the symbolic moment being the Night of the Long Knives when he had Ernst Röhm murdered:
However, it is also worthwhile to remember that Hitler and other fascist leaders were a creation of the oligarchs and enjoyed their very enthusiastic support, both inside and outside Germany, from the very get-go. As George Orwell noted of the British oligarchs in “England Your England,”
Can it be said that Trump enjoys the unbridled support of the world’s plutocrats the way Hitler did?
I think not. Quite the contrary, it seems like the world’s plutocrats greatly fear Trump. Could the reason for this fear and enmity be what Machiavelli spoke of in The Prince:
jim2,
According to Hannah Arendt, Hitler would eventually betray the oligarchs too. But this wouldn’t come until much later in Hitler’s political career:
After this, plutocrats world over would of course turn on Hitler.
But if we are going to make historical comparisons, and being hated by the plutocrats is the criteria, then Franklin Delano Roosevelt would be just as apt a comparison for Trump as what Hitler is. This becomes doubly true when we consider that both Roosevelt and Trump are blue bloods, both accused of having betrayed their own class.
From the article:
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Thursday, March 10
Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread
Florida Republican Presidential Primary FOX News Trump 43, Rubio 20, Cruz 16, Kasich 10 Trump +23
Ohio Republican Presidential Primary FOX News Trump 29, Kasich 34, Cruz 19, Rubio 7 Kasich +5
Wednesday, March 9
Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread
Florida Republican Presidential Primary CNN/ORC Trump 40, Rubio 24, Cruz 19, Kasich 5 Trump +16
Florida Republican Presidential Primary UNF Trump 36, Rubio 24, Cruz 16, Kasich 9 Trump +12
Florida Republican Presidential Primary Quinnipiac Trump 45, Rubio 22, Cruz 18, Kasich 8 Trump +23
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
Trump needs Ohio to avoid a contested primary.
Marco … So Low! Marco … So Low!
From the article:
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Fox News host Megyn Kelly gave Donald Trump some rare praise during Tuesday night’s election coverage, saying that part of the GOP frontrunner’s appeal was that his speeches are a “breath of fresh air.”
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http://www.mediaite.com/tv/megyn-kelly-trumps-unscripted-campaign-is-a-breath-of-fresh-air/
It is entertainment, but too bad some of the substance is lacking:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/majority-products-trump-boasted-night-anymore/story?id=37524507
http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/better-business-bureau-donald-trump-university-220428
Frankly, he sounds like a (dare I say it) politician to me.
From the Department of What You Know Just Ain’t So.
NBC/WSJ national poll of likely voters – Trump 30, Cruz 27. with Rubio and Kasich still in..
NBC/WaPo national poll of registered voters – Trump 34, Cruz 25, with Rubio an Kasich still in. But in a head to head match up, Cruz 54, Trump 41.
Cruz 54, Trump 41, nationally, among registered voters, head to head.
I wonder if anyone here has even heard of these polls.
Shhhh, if we don’t talk about it, maybe nobody will notice.
Until tomorrow night’s debate.
This from the fella whose expert analysis said that the polls had it all wrong before the previous election because they had Obama ahead, when in reality, Obama outperformed those polls.
Would. Could. Should.
I’ve always preferred to live in the world of what is, as opposed to the world of would, could, should.
Nevertheless, Rubio and Kasich are under a great deal of pressure from the GOP establishment to drop out, giving Cruz a clear shot at Trump.
But even if the Republicrat establishment is successful at keeping Trump and Sanders at bay, do you believe this will put an end to the insurgency?
Do you really believe the insurgency will go away, as if by magic, without its causes being dealt with?
You should bet the farm on those polls, Gary. Cruz is your man, ain’t he? The for real bed-rock Bible thumping genuine certified conservative, who will never win a national election.
Uh huh. Good. ‘Dis the bible. 70% of the US population are Christians and 25% are evangelical Christians.
This is why Trump has yet to get a majority vote in a primary in any of the 20 states that have held elections so far. He further dissed hispanics and blacks, which are 30% of the population.
One might get away with that in Republican primaries because the Republican party is largely bereft of blacks and hispanics. It’s rife with white evangelicals though which explains why Cruz is garnering enough votes to run a close second and spoiling Trump getting a majority of delegates.
And by the way…
Go Cruz! Go Kasich! Go Rubio!
Spoil that sh*t. Spoil it good.
How is Trump doing with the so-called evangelicals, lizard? I hear not bad at all.
I am not a Christian but I am pro-Christian. I don’t have any problem with a country guided by basic Judeo-Christian values. Bible thumpers who vote for a guy or gal because that person is the one most vigorously waving the Bible around are low-information voters.
“How Trump and Sanders tapped America’s economic rage
Sanders takes on the neoliberals and the pay-to-play US political system. However, he leaves the neocons untouched.
Trump takes on all three: the neoliberals, the US’s pay-to-play political system, and the neocons.
On cultural and environmental politics, they stake out opposite ends of the political spectrum.
The article concludes:
I’m not entirely convinced, however, that winning a chunk of Mexican-American support is a lost cause for Trump. He will of course have to offer them something concrete, something material, and make it sufficiently believable to win them over.
In Mexican Americans, The Ambivalent Minority, Peter Skerry has a chapter titled “The State of Mexican-American Opinion.” He concludes that a great many Mexican-Americans, a much higher percentage than what is found amongst blacks, prioritize “concrete material benefits” over the identity politics of “Chicano activists who carry issues to extremes in pursuit of highly abstract notions of equality, justice, or perhaps revolutionary transformation.”
Nevertheless, Mexican-American and Hispanic leaders have done a good job of prioritizing identity politics over pocketbook issues. Can Trump realign the public opinion of Mexican-Americans?
I’m reminded of something from The Jacksonian Tradition by Walter Russell Mead (From The National Interest No. 58, Winter 1999/2000)
It’s worth remembering that the immigrants Trump is most interested in keeping out (or at least can be interpreted that way) are the gangsters and other criminals who prey on that same immigrant population.
And as for the “Mexican-American and Hispanic leaders”, who declared them “leaders” anyway? Oh, right, the MSM. The same MSM who’s totally anti-Trump.
New CNN/ORC poll.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/09/politics/trump-clinton-lead-florida-ohio/index.html
New Fox News poll.
“Why Americans are so angry in 2016”
Interesting:
and
An average of the polls shows a much tighter race.
My own personal self-interest would undoubtedly be best served by a Clinton presidency, as the current social, economic and political order hasn’t treated me too shabbily.
But I was born into the working class, so still have a warm place for it in my heart. It pains me greatly to see the way people like Clinton have completely gutted it on behalf of their rich friends.
So I’d love to see a Clinton vs. Trump matchup.
“Ted Cruz’s challenge: uniting Republicans against Trump”
Hating on Trump
Camille Paglia has changed her mind about the Donald:
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/10/i_was_wrong_about_donald_trump_camille_paglia_on_the_gop_front_runners_refreshing_candor_and_his_impetuousness_too/
Camille Paglia is the wisest and most pragmatic and honest living lefty, since the death of Christopher Hitchins. And she is just as good and interesting a writer as was Hitchins. Especially when she is right, as she is in this piece.
The video that convinced her:
I still voted for Ted Cruz. I sense a slight eerie resemblance to Arnold Schwarzenegger. If Trump gets frustrated going up against the Washington establishment. will he salve his ego by converting to climatism and become a savior of the world?
Canman,
Diamond and Silk! I love it! So good, so funny! How they can maintain that energy and precision for 4 minutes is beyond me!
==> Nevertheless, Trump’s fearless candor…
What’s up with this whole “fearless candor” stuff, anyway? Does anyone really think that “candor” is an accurate description for Trump? He 180s constantly on all sorts of issues. What are his true opinions. How would anyone know? When is he really being open and honest? When he’s describing the yooooodge parts of his anatomy?
It’s rather like those who say that he is “authentic.”
Here’s my take. For people who are obnoxious, who like name-calling and insults, who think that insulting someone is how to construct an argument, who think that fear-mongering is a valid policy stance, Trump seems authentic because when they stifle their own obnoxiousness and name-calling, they are stifling their authentic opinions.
Trump has made some astonishing statements in the past. Yesterday, I happened to listen to the Glenn Beck show (not something I listen to that often) and he played back tapes of what Trump had actually said in the past and the statements were amazing for a Republican candidate. (Some of the crazy statements made by Beck recently can be ignored because he was playing what Trump actually said.) Obviously, I am paraphrasing by memory what Trump said, but my memory can be vetted by others.
1. About 4 or 5 years ago, he stated that not only was Hillary Clinton a bright person, she was a really good, nice person. (Anyone familiar with emailgate and her commodities trading knows that, objectively, she is a lowlife.) Also, her failed policies in Iraq and Libya show bad judgment.
2. He stated that he was a New Yorker and supported partial birth abortion.
3. He stated that former EPA administrator Lisa Jackson was a good appointment. (Jackson has stated that the science behind climate change was settled and created a fictitious Richard Windsor email account)
I would add that unlimited illegal entrance into the US is a big issue for me and that I believe Trump made a colossal mistake by ascribing excessive criminality to Mexican illegal entrants. All he has done is energize Hispanics. (See conservative Linda Chavez’s comments about this issue.) What a smart person would have done was say that I respect and like Mexican people but that we cannot have unlimited and illegal entrance into the US and that immigration laws have to be enforced. I support strong enforcement of illegal immigration laws, but Trump has practically hindered strong enforcement.
JD
Somebody should playback some of Glenny Beck’s greatest hits. Whoooo! His discussions with God would be interesting.
Trump has said a lot of outrageous things. Mostly it has worked for him. Pointing out the crimes of illegal immigrants has worked very well. They aren’t supposed to be here committing mayhem. Just last week I was driving my son to school and we ran into police roadblocks. Found out it was a fatal hit and run with the runner abandoning his vehicle. My first thought was illegal alien, on his way back to Mexico. They caught this one. Then we got the illegal felon previously deported, who was “accidentally” back on the street, and just killed five people in MO. Happens almost every day. It would be interesting to know how Trump bringing up the problem could be hindering enforcement.
From here on out, I think you can expect Trump to be more circumspect. He didn’t get where he has gotten without being capable of rational and intelligent discourse. Here is an example of the calm measured presentation you can expect to see more and more of as the stakes get higher and the rousing junkyard dog act is no longer serviceable:
Looks like little Glenn gave it his best fair and balanced shot. It would be interesting to hear playback of Glenny’s greatest hits. Maybe some of his discussions with God.
Trump has said a lot of outrageous things. However, pointing out the problem of illegal immigrants committing mayhem has worked for him. We see it happening way too often. I was driving my son to school last week and we were stopped by a police roadblock. Fatal hit and run. I looked into the news and the report was that the runner had abandoned unregistered car. I jumped to the logical conclusion; illegal alien heading for the border. Voluntary repatriation. They caught him. Then we just got the illegal in MO who had been deported, was back again, caught again and “accidentally” released. Wiped out 5 people with an AK-47. Unlikely that was a legally owned firearm. People are tired of this crap.
Going forward I am pretty sure you will see The Donald tone it down as the stakes get higher, the game gets more serious and the rousing junkyard dog routine is no longer serviceable. He didn’t get where he has gotten without being able to engage in rational, intelligent discourse. Something like this:
It would be interesting to know how Trump could have hindered immigration enforcement. Seems to me he has pushed a lot of people towards being stronger on enforcement.
Interesting article: Don’t let the planet Bern
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/03/10/bernie-sanders-energy-plan-anti-emissions-reduction-nuclear-natural-gas-column/81500436/
Bernie Sanders. 2016! Bernie Sanders. 2016!
Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders.
Venezuela! Venezuela!
Bernie Sanders! Bernie Sanders!
700% inflation!
Bernie Sanders. 2016! Bernie Sanders. 2016!
Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders.
Cut oil production! Cut oil production!
Bernie Sanders! Bernie Sanders!
Stock up on toilet paper!
The political genius half of the hilly-billy team is campaigning in Ohio. They used to call him the secret weapon:
http://theamericanmirror.com/photo-bill-clinton-plays-to-small-ohio-crowd
Don’t know why he needs the microphone. I have had more people than that show up at my house for my famous tapas parties. They should get me to cater the hilly-billy events. Put me on the Supreme Court.
I heard some comments from the AG today that indicated that activities of climate change skeptics have been referred to the FBI.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3485864/Attorney-General-Loretta-Lynch-considered-taking-legal-action-against-climate-change-deniers.html
I’d comment on this, but words fail me.
Ha Ha, looks like reading fails you too. Not climate deniers, some oil companies.
superchillskeptic: “I heard some comments from the AG today that indicated that activities of climate change skeptics have been referred to the FBI.”
I hope they do try it.
It will blow the lid off the whole can of poisonous worms.
Just imagine getting Mann, Hansen, Schmidt, Karl et al into a proper court being interrogated by a team of well-briefed lawyers permitted to demand full disclosure and with expert witnesses for the defence such as Judy Curry, Steve MacIntyre , Richard Lindzen and Nils-Axel Mörner.
Awesome!
I’d pay good money to watch that!
Shades of the late, much-missed Michael Crichton’s excellent work ‘State of Fear‘.
Unfortunately, I suspect someone who actually knows what the outcome is likely to be will warn them off.
Read article before commenting.
I did.
Unlike you, it appears I understood it too.
Trump won the debate tonight. He was like a different person.
I wanted to slap Cruz for mis-characterizing things that Trump had said. I was literally swearing at the TV. The Donald kept his cool.
I think he’s going to close the deal with the party on Tuesday and start going after Hillary.
I think the strongest point Trump made is “I know the system”. Paraphrased “I bought politicians on the right and on the left through campaign contributions. Big ones. I used all the legal means at my disposal to get business done. Just because I know how to play the game doesn’t mean I approve of the rules.”
My sentiments exactly.
He went on to say that he hadn’t accepted any campaign money from anyone and therefore he doesn’t owe anyone any political favors – unlike everyone else on the stage with him.
Very strong point. I’m sold.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There's_a_sucker_born_every_minute
From the link:
This sort of arrogant, pompous, and condescending attitude toward the great unwashed gained prominence during the Gilded Age and the Roaring Twenties.
But during the Great Depression it rapidly lost popularity amongst the beautiful people and the cultured class.
As Frederick Lewis Allen explains in Since Yesterday, many in attendance “at a litterary party in New York” by the middle of the depression were
Glenn: It’s aimed at everybody, e.g. part of the human condition. It’s arrogant and pompous not to have this attitude. Go look up the seven deadly sins and maybe you’ll understand the cliche that you can’t cheat an honest man.
I like the way he owns his past and isn’t afraid to change his mind. He just seems real.
Should we elect people who know drug- dealing, terrorism, and immigrant smuggling based on personal experience also?
We did. President. Twice. I refer of course to Obama who is an admitted pothead (Choom Club) , pals around with terrorists (Alinsky), and had an aunt from Kenya in the US illegally (Zeituni Onyango ).
Thanks for asking.
Actually that’s Choom Gang not Choom Club. Mibad.
Note our “black” president in a white gang. ROFL
The irony, it burns!
The first black man in the oval office might be Ben Carson if Trump taps him for VP. I think Carson’s life experience would add immense value to the ticket. David approves.
Looking past whether your characterization is accurate…so your argument is that we since we did it in the case of Obama, considering those attributes as qualifying criteria, we should therefore do it again?
Funny, ’cause I would consider those life experiences to be more along the lines of exclusion criteria. I guess that’s why they make chocolate and vanilla, eh?
No. The actions you mentioned (smuggling illegal immigrants, drug dealing, terrorism) are criminal acts. Buying votes in Washington is not. Classic apples and oranges. Try again.
No need.
It’s clear. Where you see experience with (legally) bribing politicians to self-advantage as a qualifying criterion, I see it as an exclusion criterion.
Vanilla and chocolate.
Just about my favorite of The Donald’s talking points “He went on to say that he hadn’t accepted any campaign money from anyone and therefore he doesn’t owe anyone any political favors – unlike everyone else on the stage with him.” So much carp. He wants things (or says he does) and in order to get them will require ‘political favors’ in order to ‘make the deal’.
Contract: “an agreement between two or more parties for the doing or not doing of something specified.”
He’s selling folks. He’s using a different tact to get to the same goal. Some car dealers will negotiate price, some will sell only for a fixed price. Same goal.
Danny Thomas said:
Glenn,
No argument except to state that sometimes one must state the obvious (He’s selling folks) as others may not see.
Politicians of most ilks are salespeople. The question is what are they selling. Other than Trumps website, his words mean nothing (not much different from Obama). Actions do. Obama has a track record one can scour. So does Trump. They’re just in two different worlds. And I won’t debate that Trump is a more efficient salesperson.
But that he’s not beholding (or won’t be) to others in order to perform the duties of the office of the President is farcical. Unless of course, The Donald imposes his will via fiat in the form of EO’s (against which so many across the political debate rail).
Danny,
For me Trump is an unknown. He also appears uncontrollable.
Clinton is a known commodity. She is also controlled.
Clinton will deliver more of the same. Trump? Who knows.
As I said up thread, the status quo hasn’t treated me too badly. So why should I risk going with Trump?
If I were in the position of most Americans, however, I wouldn’t be so sanguine. Trump would look a whole lot better, a possible change from the status quo. At least change is what Trump is selling, and a great many people obviously believe him.
Will he deliver? Who knows.
Nevertheless, I find what Trump has accomplished intriguing, and to be honest, extraoridinary. I believe in giving credit where credit’s due.
Of course Trump as president will be trading to make deals. The key difference between him and past presidents is he’ll be making bribes not taking them.
David,
Oh. That’s so much better.
“Bribery is the act of giving money, goods or other forms of recompense to a recipient in exchange for an alteration of their behavior (to the benefit/interest of the giver) that the recipient would otherwise not alter.”
David, did you forget everything you said about week ago concerning Trump?
Regarding climate, Rubio was priceless. The Miami mayor has legitimate local concerns, and Rubio just dismisses it all as climate always changes, and we can’t do anything about it even if it was us, so basically he is saying good luck with that. Kasich was much more sensible on this issue. He doesn’t fall for the economic fearmongering around renewables and energy efficiency.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/marco-rubio-climate-change_us_56e239f3e4b0860f99d8882b
Rubio was indeed priceless.
But Kate Sheppard, the author of the HuffPo article, is equally as priceless.
Rubio, like all the presidential candidates with the lone exception of Trump, belongs to the neocon church. And as Sheppard points out, Rubio articulated one of the underlying tenets of this faith during the debate:
Full spectrum dominance? Global hegemony? One world government, with the US ensconsced upon the thone? No problem, according to the neocons.
And sure, Rubio, like all true believers, is guilty of compartamentalized thinking.
But instead of challenging Rubio’s fantastic neocon ideology, Sheppard instead uses it to justify her own ideology — radical environmentalism — equally as fantastic as neoconservatism.
Sheppard appropriately notes that Rubio, in a rare moment of clear thinking, correctly states that there are limits to US power:
But instead of using this to attack Rubio’s neoconservatism, Sheppard instead uses it to bolster her own delusional doctrine. To wit:
After the fall of the Berlin Wall, the neocons pushed the realists out of prominence in US foreign policymaking.
But the Serenity Prayer, written in 1934 by one of the seminal figures of realism, during another trying time for the United States, still rings true:
An even more pessimistic doctrine than realism is the mechanical determinism embraced by some atheists, like Bertrand Russell. It rejects entirely the pelagianism — the unbridled idealism and romanticism — proselytized by neocons and radical environmentlists.
Here, for example, is Bertrand Russell:
Another adherent to the doctrine of mechanical determinism was the comedian George Carlson.
George Carlin on Global Warming
Rubio was exactly right on “climate change”. There is zero political and practical possibility that CO2 emission will be reduced enough to make any significant difference. The US could reduce emissions to zero and it still wouldn’t do any good unless the rest of the world were to follow suit. The US won’t do that unless there’s a more economical alternative. So the smart thing to do is R&D seeking more economical alternatives that would be deployed globally because it’s a cheaper source of energy.
It must have sucked to be Bertrand Russell.
There’s a good post here on the spectrum
mechanical determinism –> realism –> pelagianism (idealism and romanticism)
The logical continuation of the …but China and India argument is to support strong international agreements, but we see no such thing from Rubio. Instead his answer to a mayor with legitimate local concerns and a realistic view of the cause is basically “whatever”. “Climate is always changing” is a cop-out that refusing to acknowledge what is happening now in places like Florida.
JimD
Maybe Rubio looked at the NOAA Key West SLR data showing 9″ rise last 100 years. And he might have looked at multiple studies showing SLR back to the 1700s. And perhaps he consulted with local geologists about the real problem of excessive abstraction of groundwater out of the Biscayne aquifer and resultant acceleration of subsidence. Would he have been aware of some projections that any actions taken to reduce CO2 now would only affect temperatures in a negligible way?
Could he have been way ahead of you?
Could he have been way ahead of you?
Uh, no.
Uh, yes.
Here’s an opportunity for the CE Wolfpack to show how they are intellectually superior and more knowledgeable (just like Rubio) than everyone else.
The following is a statement by Dr. Molina who is a winner of the Nobel Prize in Chemistry for his work on ozone depletion (which Dr. Fred Singer and probably most of the CE Wolfpack still believes is hogwash) and Dr. Ramanathan (Scripps):
“If we reduce our emissions of methane 50%, black carbon 90% and fully replace HFCs by 2030, then we’ll cut in half projected global warming over the next 35 years.”
Wolfpack UNITE! Ban together, attack, and devour Dr. Molina’s statement (showing us 1 gazillion references where a Nobel prize winner is a clown, a Liberal Socialist, and clearly wrong). Especially looking forward to Mr. Don Monfort’s and Wagathon’s technical expertise to shine.
Oh by the way Wolfpack — show some spine and also attack Dr. Curry who has spoken favorably numerous times on Fast Mitigation (smog, black carbon, methane, HFCs).
Stephen,
Wondering if one would truly expect to achieve some level of ‘common ground’ with an approach such as this?
Danny — with the CE Wolfpack, there can never be any common ground. The Wolfpack keeps CE from being a Gold Standard in blog dialogue among different opinions.
Stephen,
Respectfully disagree. While it’s clear there are differing political views, there are areas of agreement w/r/t science (along with extreme positions). But it’s clear that the approaches of contributors affects the communication.
The climate discussion is manyfold so one would expect areas of disagreement. Only suggesting, presuming one’s stated goal is the actual goal, is to build from the foundation of commonality and work outward from there.
It’s obvious this comment is intended to incite which is counter to the goal of reaching and discussing common ground.
Regards,
Danny, you are suffering under this wrong-headed idea that common ground is desirable. In some cases, it is not desirable. Climate change is one of those areas where it is NOT desirable. Political gridlock on the issue is acceptable to me, although I would rather the government get out of it altogether.
Jim2,
Stephen put out a statement a while back expressing regret due to a lack of common ground so my reference was towards that. But I agree that there are areas in the climate debate that benefit from commonality due to ‘unintended consequences’ if nothing else. Yours is a black and white statement regarding a topic of many more than 50 shades of grey. As J****** suggested, I guess that’s why they make chocolate and vanilla. One of us indeed is wrong-headed, but the question is who?
I have come to believe gridlock (at times) is Congress functioning as designed.
Stephen
Wolf pack? How many CE denizens do you think belongs to this ‘wolfpack’. Is it large and aggressive enough to warrant the epithet you have given it?’
tonyb
Stephen,
Take a breath.
Wide diversity of opinions here at /CE. Lots of discussions and few of the ad homin attacks of flat earth society and denier insults. Some argue with your position but mostly good humor.
I enjoy Turb Eddy and tonyb and others who provide inifo and data.
Nothing like the extreme complaints of through the rascals in jail or prosecute with RICO.
Scott
Stephen Segrest despairs that political correctness hasn’t gagged everyone here.
the little boy who cried: wolfpack! wolfpack! bwahaahaaahahh!
whinging –snipper–snipping– putz
Segrest:
ow ow ow-WOOOOOOOOOOO
Rubio looked either uninformed or misinformed. He needs to read up like the mayor of Miami clearly has. His response was the best he could do to give a non-answer to that mayor, but it was smoke and mirrors to anyone who can see through it.
Nope. Rubio’s response was perfect. Even if it turns out that humans are causing catastrophic climate change the policy actions of the United States make no significant difference in the eventual outcome.
Not unless you also support strong international agreements, Springer.
So what? How much difference will that really make?
Seems to me that approach is an even better excuse for some sort of world-wide nit-picking regulatory bureaucracy than controlling CO2 emissions. A great thing for fans of EU-style world government.
OTOH, if it could be done via persuasion and local/national regulation, it probably wouldn’t cause much harm. Black carbon is a definite local problem, and much of the methane problem comes from leaks in natural gas systems that could be profitable to plug.
But it’s hard to see much climate-related benefit, even if the cost is pretty low.
The knives are out, and the establishment has rolled out its panzers and Luftwaffe.
It’s one last blitzkreig to bring down Trump.
“Out of his league” glared the headline in massive bold letters on this morning’s CNN.com. CNN.com is US’s largest web news outlet.
It’s prima facie evidence of how the MSM (mainstream media) doesn’t report the news, but invents the news. Just like with the climatariat, the distinguishing line between fact and opinion has all but disappeared.
We’ll see Tuesday how well it plays in Peoria. The problem the establishment and its institutions (e.g., MSM, NOAA, IPCC, etc.) have is that they are so mired in their own credibility and legitimacy crisis that the media onslaught may not work.
Yep, this is the Redimowit Establishment’s Battle of the Bulge. Only, we’re not all that surprised. Sore losers, they’ll be.
I’ve responded here to your comment about the Merida Initiative so it would get flagged for you.
Illegal drugs are no doubt a scourge on society. But at the end of the day, I value my freedom over the problems caused by drugs. Because of that, I say remove laws that make making, selling, and using drugs illegal. Regulate and tax the activity, sure.
Illegal drugs have done as much as terrorism to make the US a police state. People will get and use drugs no matter what. Making them legal would get rid of a violence ridden black market and do more to bring down Mexican drug gangs than anything else.
So, I agree with you, negate the Merida Initiative and go further, legalize drugs.
From the article:
…
Nevertheless, Trump’s fearless candor and brash energy feel like a great gust of fresh air, sweeping the tedious clichés and constant guilt-tripping of political correctness out to sea. Unlike Hillary Clinton, whose every word and policy statement on the campaign trail are spoon-fed to her by a giant paid staff and army of shadowy advisors, Trump is his own man, with a steely “damn the torpedoes” attitude. He has a swaggering retro machismo that will give hives to the Steinem cabal. He lives large, with the urban flash and bling of a Frank Sinatra. But Trump is a workaholic who doesn’t drink and who has an interesting penchant for sophisticated, strong-willed European women.
…
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/10/i_was_wrong_about_donald_trump_camille_paglia_on_the_gop_front_runners_refreshing_candor_and_his_impetuousness_too/
From the article:
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Friday, March 11
Florida Republican Presidential Primary WTSP/Mason-Dixon Trump 36, Rubio 30, Cruz 17, Kasich 8 Trump +6
Florida Republican Presidential Primary Florida Times-Union Trump 43, Rubio 24, Cruz 21, Kasich 10 Trump +19
Florida Republican Presidential Primary Trafalgar Group (R) Trump 42, Rubio 23, Cruz 21, Kasich 11 Trump +19
…
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
Looks like I got lucky and this primary thing is unfolding pretty much like I said it would. Which one of the inconsequential little know-nothing clowns here said I didn’t have a clue, because Nate Silver said Trump didn’t have a chance? Hold up your little hand, clownboy.
I wonder if I will also get lucky on my assessment of granny hilly-billy’s little national security problem. Hey, maybe I actually know something.
He’s not the nominee yet. And he hasn’t become president yet either.
Even a blind squirrel finds an occasional acorn. Did you predict Obama was going to win? Twice?
Here’s the deal though. If you’re right about Trump getting nominated I hope to hell I’m wrong about him losing the general election. No one will be happier at me being wrong than me. That’s because I’m not an insecure ass-clown like you.
My little lizard stalker needs help. Try buying bigger shoes and stuffing them with newspaper so the don’t fall off, little lizard.
But at least the little clownboy had the guts hold up his hand. Nate Silver let him down.
Why don’t you show us again the photo you posted on some blog of you standing between the two dogs you borrowed from your neighbor to try to intimidate somebody you were feuding with. The dogs are bigger than you, little lizard. And better looking.
In the latter part of the article, the author states Trump is wrong about China devaluing the Yuan. But it depends on the time frame. Over 10 years, China HAS devalued the Yuan. But in the recent past, has moved it up a bit. From the article:
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“People say [Trump] would start a trade war. Well, no matter what The Donald does he can’t start a trade war because we’re already in a trade war with China. But only they are waging it,” Chang told CNBC. “The question is how do we end it on terms not only advantageous to the United States but also to the international community.”
In a “Squawk Box” interview, Chang said tariffs on Chinese exports to the U.S. might have to be on the table. “All choices are really bad.”
“China is [also] stealing intellectual property from the United States,” he said, pointing to the 2013 IP Commission Report. “The dimension of that is somewhere maybe $200 billion to $300 billion a year. That is a war in a sense.”
In a CNBC interview Thursday, Trump called Beijing “the grandmaster of all” when it comes to currency manipulation and free trade cheating. Trump also told “Squawk Box” that global currency devaluation efforts are hurting the U.S. and costing American jobs.
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http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/11/trump-may-be-proven-right-on-china-tariffs-chang.html
China has been steadily robbing us blind. Not allowing the yuan to appreciate is the same as devaluing it. Oppression keeps Chinese workers compliant and labor costs low. Pollution control expense is not a cost that most Chinese producers have to worry much about. State sanctioned theft of IP is way more than is estimated. State run enterprises are highly subsidized and still operate at a continuing loss, non-state companies are paid tons of bonus money for exporting product, all sorts of unjustifiable regulations stop a lot of goods from being imported etc. etc. etc. Plain and simple, piratical mercantilism is China’s trade policy.
Yet we don’t complain about low prices in Walmart with merchandise labels “Made in China” on them much.
The expression “you can’t have your cake and eat it too” comes to mind.
I’m OK with the low prices at Walmart. But a better balance between jobs here and cheap goods would be good for US workers. No denying it’s a tough problem.
Some might even say we’re exploiting China not the other way around. I’m okay with that though. Little Chinese kids in sweatshops making sneakers for Nike that US street hoodlums will kill over is what keeps the kiddies in China off the streets instead of selling drugs, guns, and having gang wars. Maybe we should try some of China’s techniques here.
Sure. Put import blocks in place so manufacturers can’t use cheap Chinese (or other Asian) labor to make the stuff, it won’t be American labor making it. It’ll be American robots.
Good for the robotics industry, though.
jim2,
Some interesting data on US trade.
http://www.trade.gov/mas/ian/build/groups/public/@tg_ian/documents/webcontent/tg_ian_003364.pdf
1. Does this mean we are selling more to Mexico than they to us?
2. Does it take into account maquiladoras?
Jim2
No it means the opposite. Yes it includes maquiladoras
The two charts are apparently about different metrics, jim. The first seems to show total imports and exports for Mexico. The second shows U.S. has trade deficit with Mexico. Here are the latest numbers:
http://bea.gov/newsreleases/international/trade/tradnewsrelease.htm
jim2,
Rob answered your questions correctly.
The important question, however, is “Why did US ‘leaders’ willfully destroy US productive might?”
Here’s one theory from a couple of researchers from PIMCO which I like because, as I’m sure you’ve noticed by now, I don’t like US militarism and neoconservatism:
Glenn,
You might find this of interest. It’s lengthy: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/
jim2,
I used two references to create the charts. The link I provided above:
And also this one:
jim2,
Some more statistics you might find interesting.
• Of the 7.7 million cars and light trucks sold in the US in 2015, it looks like about 2.0 million, or 26%, were made in Mexico
• 70% of the 2.9 million cars and light trucks made in Mexico in 2015 were sold in the United States
• With the new car and light truck plants now under construction in Mexico, production, according to the AMIA, is projected to reach 5 million vehicles by 2020
• Mexican labor comes at a low price. Mexican autoworkers make an average of 20 percent of what their U.S. counterparts do, according to Luis Lozano, a partner at PricewaterhouseCoopers in Mexico City. (That was in February 2015, when the exchange rate was 14.9 pesos to the USD. Today the exchange rate is 17.7, so the Mexican autoworker currently probably makes only about 17% of what a US worker makes)
• I just bought a new vehicle here in Mexico, a 2016 Honda HRV made about 40 miles from where I live in Celaya, Guanajuato. The out-the-door cost was $15,900. That very same vehicle in Texas would have cost me $21.600, out-the-door including sales taxes. So the exact same vehicle costs 36% more in the United States than it does here in Mexico.
http://www.statista.com/statistics/199974/us-car-sales-since-1951/
http://www.autonews.com/article/20150206/OEM01/302069972/mexico-auto-exports-forecast-to-hit-record-in-2015
Sounds like instead of Fox berating Trump, Fox should be berated by everyone for the Medieval conditions in Mexico.
The automobile manufacturing going on in Mexico is exactly what Trump plans to leverage into a deal to force Mexico to secure the border at their cost. Manufacturing jobs and economic growth that the US gave Mexico through NAFTA can be taken away if they don’t cooperate. Like duh. Trump is right about the lousy trade deals made by previous administrations Democrat and Republican alike. That giant sucking sound that Ross Perot said would result from NAFTA was exactly right. And we can’t even get Mexico to secure the border we so graciously and charitably opened up to free trade.
jim2, David Springer,
NAFTA unleashed rivers of free money, raining down from the sky, on the very rich on both sides of the Rio Grande.
US workers have suffered under NAFTA. But they haven’t suffered anything like Mexican workers.
Here’s a graph which shows the plight of the averager manufacturing worker in Mexico since NAFTA took effect in 1994.
In 1994 a Mexican manufacturing worker could buy 1.3 basic baskets of goods (BBG) with a day’s pay.
In 2013 a Mexican manufacturing worker could buy only .55 of a BBG with a day’s pay.
That’s a loss of 58% in purchasing power for a day’s pay in the 19 years between 1994 and 2013.
American workers haven’t experienced anything like that.
American consumers, however, are not the ones benefiting from the low wages in Mexico. It is the transnational corporations — Volkswagen, GM, Chrysler, Honda, Toyota, etc. — who are benefitting. That Honda I can buy here for $15,900 you still have to pay $21,600. Honda pockets the difference in extra profit.
Here’s how the Jus Semper Global Alliance explains it:
Trump threatens the economic interests of the very wealthy on both sides of the Rio Grande. That’s the reason that Mexican politicians, who don’t represent the Mexican people but the Mexican plutocrats, have closed ranks with the plutocrats in the United States to try to bring down Trump.
Nabisco closes US plant and moves it to Mexico
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/outsourcing-the-oreo/
There’s a reason Mexico has people like this.
Not as many as China, but one can get the picture as to what is happening in countries like Mexico and China.
From the article:
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Democrats in Pennsylvania are jumping ship more than Republicans in a primary season where the state could play a crucial role in deciding the GOP presidential nominee.
In the first two months of 2016, nearly 46,000 Pennsylvania Democrats switched their affiliation to the Republican party, compared to 24,000 Republicans who became registered Democrats, records from the Pennsylvania Department of State show.
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http://lancasteronline.com/news/pennsylvania/a-sign-of-trump-fever-more-pennsylvania-democratic-voters-switching/article_d4fc24ea-e570-11e5-9086-2b2ab4e8aee7.html
From the article:
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MIAMI, Florida — At Thursday night’s Republican debate, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)97%
, John Kasich, and Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)79%
all parroted talking points about trade that do not seem to match their prior legislative records and statements on the critical issue.
While Donald Trump has articulated his vociferous opposition to President Barack Obama’s trade agenda in practically every GOP debate, tonight marked the first debate in which all of the other candidates were asked about their previous support for trade globalism. Breitbart News reported extensively on debate moderators’ prior failure to cover the issue in previous debates.
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/10/rubio-cruz-kasich-all-backed-obamatrade-pretend-they-didnt-at-miami-debate/
Little granny is going to need a lot of high-priced scheisters.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/11/source-clinton-it-specialist-revealing-server-details-to-fbi-devastating-witness.html
The FBI is on granny like sink on –snip–.
Actually, that ‘s a mixed metaphor, or something. It’s stink on –snip–. They are also going to hit her with the kitchen sink, throw the book at her, ton of bricks etc. etc. etc.
From the article:
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ANIMAS — Several hundred ranchers gathered at a small-town high school in the Bootheel on Thursday to rally against what they described as a broken border.
Also present were members and representatives of New Mexico’s congressional delegation and officials from public security agencies, including the Border Patrol, Army, National Guard and sheriffs. More than 600 people showed up at a school auditorium in Animas, population 237.
Ranchers here have been steaming over the reported kidnapping of a ranch hand in December, when drug runners allegedly hijacked the man’s vehicle, loaded it with narcotics and drove him to Arizona. He came home “roughed up,” his employer Tricia Elbrock said, but he survived the ordeal.
Concerns about border security have simmered for years for those who live among the region’s sprawling ranches and rugged mountain ranges. Sometimes, fears boil over, such as after the unsolved 2010 murder of southern Arizona rancher Robert Krentz, who was found shot dead on his property, or after the recent reported kidnapping.
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http://www.abqjournal.com/738551/news/ranchers-rally-in-animas-to-decry-border-security.html
Jim2,
For discussion let’s state that it’s a given that border security must be improved. How? These folks say more agents, on horses, near the border (not inland) and increased technology. No mention of a wall, and that won’t work in water anyway.
Border patrol staffing has just about doubled since Bush (and due to efforts during his administration).
Then this was up for consideration: “It would also make the border more secure by adding up to 40,000 border patrol agents. It also advances talent-based immigration through a points-based immigration system.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Security,_Economic_Opportunity,_and_Immigration_Modernization_Act_of_2013 (Passed by Senate 63-32, but not even considered by the House for political reasons).
CBO stated: “Combining those figures would lead to a net savings of about $135 billion over the 2014-2023 period from enacting S. 744.” https://www.cbo.gov/publication/44397
The remediation scenario you mention is only one approach among many. The presentation of this scenario is not proof it is impossible to secure the border. I’m not sure why you even wasted the time to do it.
Myself, I have empathy with the US residents living along the border. For that and other good reasons, it must be secured.
Jim2,
No more empathy than I, I assure you. I’m from Texas.
But interestingly, I find that some sanction or even prefer political gridlock (much like was experienced w/r/t the above referenced immigration reform). And according to the CBO the reform would have had positive impacts on the deficit.
Interesting. How does one go about securing a border while insuring political gridlock?
Shoot. Forgot to re ask my question. How?
In statistics, one would classify securing the border and political gridlock as independent variables.
Jim2,
And in real life (not statistics), one might classify the gridlock leading to inaction on immigration issues leading to not increasing border patrol staffing by 40,000 while reducing budget deficits by $135B over 10 years less than effective.
I see again a sidestepping of the How question. We have an agreement (you & I) that securing the border needs doing. A comprehensive plan was proposed, passed via bipartisan vote in one chamber, and ignored in the other all while blame for inaction is placed at the feet of a third (Obama).
The only other plan being suggested is a wall under which a simple tunnel defeats, or over which a toy can fly.
40,000 Border Patrol agents might just have done wonders. Statistically speaking.
Since I’m not the President with the resources of the nation behind him, I’ll pass on the How. We sent a man to the Moon ferchrissakes, we can secure the border, surely.
Danny Thomas : One way to progress on securing the border.
I believe that reducing the desire to come to the US is an important element of securing the border. What I would propose is that employers of illegal entrants be assessed a fine (really enforced) for hiring illegal entrants and that the illegal entrants would then be liable to the employer for the payment of the fine. This proposal would substantially reduce the financial incentive to come to the US. Also, for those illegal entrants who do exceptionally well (and who would benefit the US) they can essentially pay to stay. My proposal would avoid the often heart wrenching deportations of basically good people who have ignored American immigration law that in the past was only half-heartenly enforced and which is not being enforced at all now.
I would add that the US is so severe in running down the financial accounts of Americans living outside of the US that many are renouncing their citizenship. If that is the case, it shouldn’t be that difficult to devise financial penalties that would result in the substantial lessening of those illegally coming to the US and would also result in the departure of many illegal entrants.
JD
JD,
No disagreement. It’s worth an attempt. No one has had meaningful impact since about 1975. My last job required I prove my citizenship so why shouldn’t others?
Getting Congress to address immigration is challenging: “But few within the GOP expect any kind of immigration debate in the Senate in the foreseeable future. The issue has been relegated to the back burner as Republicans instead focus on the budget, trade deals and, possibly, tax reform.
“At this point, we have a lot of other issues to do,” said Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), who authored stand-alone legislation to block Obama’s immigration directives. “I’m very happy the Department of Homeland Security is funded, and I think the issue of the president’s overreach with his executive order of last November is probably going to end up being decided by the courts. And that’s not a bad option.”
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/immigration-reform-congress-115880#ixzz42dgwtzMO
The complaining is that Obama is ‘ruling via fiat’ (EO’s) yet when congress looks at the issue they defer to the courts to respond to action actually being taken (right or wrong action) in lieu of actually acting themselves.
The EO’s action: https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-action
Kind of bizarre, jd. There are already sanctions for employers:
https://www.uscis.gov/i-9-central/penalties
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/wash-herb-grower-fined-1-million-knowingly-employing-illegal-aliens
Enforcement of all the immigration laws is obviously a problem. Getting illegal aliens to pay the fines back to employers sounds really goofy. How would you expect them to do that, even if they were so inclined? I would suggest that you are wasting your time trying to think up ways to reduce illegal immigration. You are not cut out for it.
The way to secure the border is by any means necessary short of alligators, minefields, shoot on sight and stuff like that. We could start by employing our very capable military. The border area is a good place for training. Roaming units and observation posts on hilltops and ridge lines aided by air surveillance of SEAL teams, Army Rangers, 82 Airborne Division , 10th Mountain Division, some of the light recon units of the armored divisions, mechanized infantry etc. etc. etc. could spot the folks crossing the border and scare the crap out of them until the border patrol guys came along to deal with the sorting out, the paper work and escorting the lawbreaking interlopers back over our border. In other words, no more –snipping– around with invaders.
Don,
You’re correct. Alligators won’t work anyway: “Alligators have been spotted in the lower Rio Grande since the first half of the 20th century. Because people cross the river into Texas, Mexican authorities place alligator warning signs at various places along the river. There have been no fatal gator attacks, or serious injuries, reported in Texas.” http://www.themonitor.com/life/vidaoutdoors/tex-mex-gators-valley-has-been-home-to-alligators-for/article_62f9005c-21ee-11e5-9690-3f767ade890b.html
The rest of your plan sounds worth implementation. And 40,000 more B.P. agents wouldn’t hurt either.
Dummie Donnie those penalties for hiring illegals are slaps on the wrist. The worst is a class B misdemeanor. Misdemeanors are difficult to prosecute as they require an eyewitness. Government prosecutors don’t tend to waste time on minor offenses.
Make hiring an illegal a felony if you’re serious about giving enforcement a try. Duh.
Dummie Donnie those penalties for hiring illegals are slaps on the wrist. The worst, for pattern hiring (whatever comprises proof of that), is a class B misdemeanor. Misdemeanors are difficult to prosecute as they require an eyewitness. Government prosecutors don’t tend to waste time on minor offenses.
Make hiring an illegal a fel0ny if you’re serious about giving enforcement a try. Duh.
Dummie Donnie gives us an article saying, among other things, US employers were fined a [gasp] total of $10 million last year for hiring illegals. The show pony of the report is HerbCo International which was fined $1 million (the corporation not the several executives who were found guilty of class B misdemeanors and given a year probation).
The thing of it is that HerbCo has $52M/year in annual revenue and employs nearly 500 people. Even a million dollar fine one year for doing this for god only knows how many years still amounts to a slap on the wrist in light of annual revenue. They can just roll it into the cost of doing business.
Make the penalties against individuals into fel0nies and see if that doesn’t make a difference.
You really got a bad case of donnyitis, lizardboy. I didn’t say the fines were effective. JD, said there should be fines and I pointed out that there are already fines. And I suggested more vigorous measures. Doesn’t “by any means necessary” have any meaning for you, you dumb little –snip–? You are so envious of me, and a lot of others here, that you can’t –snipping– see straight. You should get some professional help. Find someone who specializes in the out of whack reptilian mind. You are one angry little dude. Check yourself, lizard. Sheeesh!
Also, lizardboy, if you had read from the first link you would have seen that it’s a criminal offense punishable by up to 6 mo jail term for the first offense. Most employers wouldn’t want to go through that as an avoidable cost of doing business. Dumb little –snip–.
Also, lizardboy, if you had read from the first link you would have seen that it’s an offense punishable by up to 6 mo jail term for the first offense. Most employers wouldn’t want to go through that as an avoidable cost of doing business. Dumb little –snip–.
Dummie Donnie… I said the worst offense was a class B misdemeanor. Maybe you could be not so dumb if you’d look up the maximum punishment for class B misdemeanors. You might also consider what’s the minimum punishment and what criteria judges use to determine where to set the punishment between the minimum and maximum. I’ll even give you three chances to say the punishment increases for repeat violations starting out with the minimum for a first offense. Sometimes the depth of your ignorance surprises even me and I’m not easily surprised due to being so nearly omniscient.
http://criminal-law.freeadvice.com/criminal-law/white_collar_crimes/criminal-misdemeanor-classes.htm
Any questions, dopey, aside from “How can Springer be right so f*cking much of the time?”
Dummie Donnie what part of Class B misdemeanor did you not understand?
http://criminal-law.freeadvice.com/criminal-law/white_collar_crimes/criminal-misdemeanor-classes.htm
Sentences for Fel0nies and Misdemeanors
If a defendant does not qualify for probation, they can be sentenced to county jail time. Fel0ny sentences are served in state institutions, whereas misdemeanors are usually served in a local county facility. The maximums and minimums for Class A, B, and C misdemeanors are different in every state. However, Class A misdemeanors receive the highest sentence, generally up to one year in county jail. Class B misdemeanors are punished between 90-180 days in county jail. Class C misdemeanors receive the least amount of time, usually 30 days or less.
Automobile executive Henry Ford spent an evening at the White House trying to convince Hoover to veto the bill, calling it “an economic stupidity.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot%E2%80%93Hawley_Tariff_Act
It’s populist isolationism. It’s saying we can’t hack free trade. Freedom either. Freedom doesn’t come from walls and seem to be the antithesis of walls. The Berlin Wall wasn’t about freedom. It was about the Cold War. Let me tell you, Mexico is not the Soviet Union. Look at that man from Austria’s Atlantic Wall built during WWII. That worked well. A wall is a symbol of impending defeat. We cannot co-exist with Mexico. Really? How many divisions does Mexico have? Picking on some little country in our own backyard. We are squabbling with Mexico and making them our scapegoat. We have already lost. Let’s build a monument to our defeat.
I said the worst punishment was a Class B misdemeanor. If you weren’t so close to being illiterate you’d know those carry a maximum punishment of six months in county lockup. If you weren’t so belligerently unaware of how ignorant you are you’d have looked it up. I invented the internet so dummies like you could learn freely, easily, and quickly. Some people just prefer being stupid I guess.
Danny Thomas,
It seems possible that between 40 and 50 percent of all illegal immigrants in the US arrived legally by air, and simply stayed.
Obviously the US could solve this problem easily, and create jobs at the same time.
Every foreigner entering the US should have a US Government official minder accompanying them at all times. Every foreigner would have a RFID chip temporarily inserted under the skin on arrival, which would cause the minder’s alarm device to warn if the mindee moved out of range. Squads of heavily armed militia would be summoned to take the offender down, employing lethal force, if necessary.
Just imagine the benefits! Extra revenue for transport, hotels, tourist attractions and all the rest! Where the foreigner goes, so goes the minder (at Government expense, of course).
I believe countries such as North Korea have a somewhat similar approach, and few people overstay their visit as a result.
I can provide similar awesome solutions (for a small fee) to other seemingly intractable problems.
Or, for a slightly larger fee, I could take on the job of POTUS. Like at least one Presidential contender, not actually being born in the US doesn’t appear to be an impediment.
If you find the prospect of an ex President’s wife, or the Trumpkin, at all unsettling, I can be bought if the price is right. I support bribery, corruption, lying, political machinations, hypocrisy, sexual deviation and immorality of all types, and burying my snout in the public trough to the maximum extent possible. No ordinary politician could possibly compare with me. They are far too upright and honest – aren’t they?
Cheers.
Honorable Mr. Flynn,
Well, first I hear that those who were not legally born in this country (no matter the documentation) are indeed currently serving in the top office as President so apparently that’s no hurdle as you suggested.
So do you have references? Thank you for your interest. As it’s understood based on internet searches, the position pays $400,000/year plus includes lodging and transportation services. Upon completion, a pension is available.
Don Monfort | March 11, 2016 at 6:25 pm |
“Kind of bizarre, jd. There are already sanctions for employers:”
Don, I know that. However, there are no financial penalties for illegal entrance placed on the entrants and I also mentioned that as part of my plan. I would make the entrants financially liable and give employers incentives to recoup from the entrants. With a little bit of creativity, there are any number of ways you could impose penalties on illegal entrants and make it much less profitable to be in the US. This in conjunction with other, not necessarily draconian, enforcement activities could be politically doable as well as effective.
JD
How are they supposed to make financial restitution if you don’t allow them earn any money? Think harder. You can’t draw blood from a turnip.
Can you explain why building a wall on our side of our border is picking on Mexico? Do we owe it to Mexico to absorb millions and millions of their citizens who enter our country without our permission in violation of our laws? Would they put up with the reverse? Do you know how they treat people from Central and South America and elsewhere who enter Mexico illegally? Do you think that it is a good thing that our manufacturing capacity is disappearing to other countries and at the same time our manufacturing jobs are going away we are providing jobs, education, healthcare, jail cells etc. to millions of legal and illegal immigrants? How long do you think this crap can go on?
You are not making sense, jd. Think about some more. I have seen you comment wisely on a lot of issues. I know you can do better.
In a very general sense, building a wall is going to prevent Mexicans from packing turkeys in Minnesota and picking the Nations crops. Produce grown the United States is often picked by hand. These low wage jobs are often filled by Mexicans. So their citizens would be prevented by some of our citizens who have an issue, from earning some money. A boycott of low wage Mexican labor. Telling GM they can’t build cars in Mexico or can’t import them. A trade boycott. At the same time trade is opening up with Cuba. We are finally getting over Castro after more than 50 years. We want peace, we want trade. Manufacturing capacity is transferring to more efficient places. Governments can not create only transfer. They can prevent voluntary transfers of manufacturing capacity and still not create it. Societal costs are an issue that can be looked with or without Mexicans. We could argue that we need to reduce free stuff because it’s bringing in too many Mexicans. Every reason we use against the poor works here too. Meanwhile in Redneck western Minnesota, we are producing low cost food. Trying to maintain our small towns. Thank you Mexico.
Ragnaar,
My ‘belief’ is that the immigration issues is not being faced head on by our politicians for economic reasons. Actual in the (literal?) field studies have shown our lack of desire to perform many of the tasks which immigrants find as part of ‘a better life’ here. Their willingness to do so leads to reduced costs to producers and therefore lower costs to consumers. To address this head on would lead to politicians being forced to accept those higher costs and likely blamed for them. There is effectively a disincentive to address the issue lacking a military like attack on our land. This is borne out by our knowledge of the drug trade and societal costs which are knowns being allowed to continue under BAU.
Our country has been built on the backs of immigrants, and continues to be run on them. There. I said it out loud. Much as you’ve stated, I perceive.
Danny Thomas,
Thank you for your interest. $400,000 per annum is chicken feed. I believe at least one contender for POTUS gets more than that for talking to a room full of Wall St employees, twice. Apparently her base rate is $225,000 per speech.
I’d need to work hard to extract that much for that little. I haven’t had Goldman Sachs offering me anything, so far. Ms Clinton must be a fount of financial wisdom to get those offers. I’m sure that becoming POTUS would severely limit her income. Maybe she’ll make it up somehow.
I believe some people are under the misapprehension that one has to be born in the US to run for President. This doesn’t seem to be true, and even though I was not born in the US, I could legally run – for a suitable untraceable consideration, of course.
The following gives a reasonable summary of the situation –
“The problem is that in modern parlance, naturalization has come to be understood not as the legislatively conferred citizenship but as a process of acquiring citizenship. Cruz, McCain and George Romney did not have to go through any process to acquire their citizenship; Congress conferred that citizenship automatically by statute. These are not the only examples, however, of automatic naturalization by statute without any process or request. For example, United States citizenship was statutory conferred on all Native Americans living within the United States by the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924, even though some tribes actually objected, then as now.”
Oh well. It looks as though the US public prefers candidates who pretend to honesty and moral unrighteousness rather than such as myself, who not only admit to dishonesty and moral slackness, but would work themselves into the ground to promote it. After all, honesty is supposed to be the best policy, isn’t it?
My policy is obviously the best, as I am completely honest about my avarice and complete lack of moral boundaries!
Have a nice weekend.
Cheers.
OK Ragnar, open borders and allegedly free trade is allowing us to exploit cheap Mexican labor, which is good for us and good for them. And soon we can start exploiting those poor saps in Cuba by shipping the rest of our manufacturing jobs down there. As long as we keep borrowing trillion$ to finance the balance of payments deficits and the spending on handouts to our unemployed and underemployed locals, the economic ball will keep rolling. What could possibly go wrong?
Springer: “How are they supposed to make financial restitution if you don’t allow them earn any money? Think harder. You can’t draw blood from a turnip.”
The idea is not to get financial restitution but to make it financially unprofitable (in varied creative ways) for all but the very most successful to stay. Currently, it makes financial sense for illegal entrants to come even if (under previous administrations) they were deported. Ideas should be focused on financial penalties to discourage illegal entrants from coming in the first place and to make it financially untenable for those illegally here to stay. The US govt. has draconian regulations on American citizens living abroad. There are many ways that creative and effective financial penalties can be used to stem the illegal entrant problem. Ways could also be devised to raise the cost of necessary services or goods in such a way to strongly combat the violation of US immigration laws.
JD
What creative penalties are you talking about, jd? so far you only gave us this:
“What I would propose is that employers of illegal entrants be assessed a fine (really enforced) for hiring illegal entrants and that the illegal entrants would then be liable to the employer for the payment of the fine. This proposal would substantially reduce the financial incentive to come to the US.”
No, the illegals wouldn’t pay anything but they will move on and get work elsewhere. A lot of the work is under the radar. Off the books. Underground. They are illegal. They commit all sorts of offenses and just change their names and move on, until apprehended deported, come back again, rinse and repeat. Tell us how they are going to be deterred by financial penalties, or please talk about something on which you are not clueless. You have a lot of interesting things you can discuss.
Dear Dummie Donnie,
Building a wall on our side of the border deprives public and private property owners access to the Rio Grande river. In some cases because of terrain the wall must be built a mile back from the actual border.
Threaten to pull out of NAFTA all day long but don’t take land and water access away from innocent Americans that’s been theirs since the Mexican-American war.
Capisce?
Yer buddy,
Dave
Dear Dummie Donnie,
My home was built with a lot of illegal labor back in the days when the border was more porous (before 9/11). I knew where the regular workers lived and the general contractor who employed them. They would commute here about 3 – 6 months at a time to work. They shared a single cabin, dormitory style, men-only, and shared a car as well. Occasionally one would be caught and sent back to Mexico. He’d be back in two weeks. They all had families who remained in Mexico and sent most of their wages home. They put in an honest day’s work for an honest day’s wage. Back then it was $8/hr cash or $10/hr for one that speaks English. There is a street corner in Austin where day laborers show up who can be hired on the spot. No one asks questions.
That system has been working fine in Austin for a very long time. I have no experience elsewhere. If you and your paranoid friends insist on screwing it up don’t do it by depriving even more Americans of their rights with a fence, dipsh*t. It’s bad enough you phucking pussies with your comb-overs and imported European wives are trying to stick your white beaks between mutually consenting adults entering into contract labor agreements. The fascism is breathtaking already. Force Mexico to do what you need via trade sanctions. There’s a lot of sentiment, a majority I’m sure, that would just as soon secede from the Union in Texas. If we were our own nation we’d be the 11th largest national economy in the world. We already have our own electrical grid independent from the rest of the country. The only one like it in fact. Three grids in the US: eastern, western, and Texican. The US can’t afford to lose either the state nor its good graces. Tell The Donald to deal with that sh*t.
Yer pal,
Dave
You have gone off the deep end, little lizard. I didn’t know that cooks could get PTSD. You need to go to the VA and get help, before you get your little dainty self hurt. Of course you being a little size 9 chicken–snip– –snipper–snipper very likely cools your jets when you are in the presence of grown men. You are really pathetic.
Yes Don Monfort, the test of what’s good is, that some here want to hire them and they want to be hired to work. I don’t think all of them think they are exploited. To say so is to repeat a tired left talking point. I know we don’t do much well anymore. We are pretty good at food production though. Bill Holm in ‘Not Quite American’ asked if we had these rich lands because of our virtue or our luck? He suggested bringing 5 million Chinese to the Loon State and that they would be industrious and prosper. Cuba will not be packing a lot of turkeys, they don’t do well in the heat and it costs too much to ship them there. So rather we can ship the Cubans to Minnesota and then ship the processed food to Cuba or better yet save on the shipping and just allow ½ of the Cubans to move here. A Republican weakness has been how Hispanics vote. These alleged capitalists could follow through with immigration reform, or continue this trade war within the U.S. By that I mean, denying employers lower cost labor. Trump will win on his stance on this for awhile. There’s sufficient frustration with the economy and other things for a not insignificant portion of the population to go along with what he says. But in the end, it will not pan out economically. I am not happy about the trillions of dollars owed by our government. Trump may be the one to do something about that. Few others from the establishment have been able to resist borrowing. It occurs to me, that if we don’t have lower cost labor, it just makes sense manufacturing will move to where it is. So it would help what’s left here stay here by bringing in lower cost labor.
“You Won’t Believe How They Rigged Ohio Against Trump: “Intentionally Confusing Ballot”
We all know the elite are on the warpath against Donald Trump, with everyone from pundits, to major world leaders, to the Pope speaking out against him.
Regardless, Trump has received a groundswell of support from the rank and file American, winning state primaries left and right. Ohio’s primary is coming up on March 15, and it’s a big one because it’s a “winner takes all” state.
Well now it’s being alleged that Ohio’s GOP has intentionally set up a confusing ballot in a bid to try to make sure Donald Trump does not win.
I wouldn’t put it ’em past to cheat against Trump.
I went to the Ohio web site where you can look at the ballots. This video is correct, the Republican ballot has the two sections with the same nominees listed. Politicians suck.
Please explain how this ballot favors one candidate over another. It’s confusing but I don’t see how it is biased.
Perhaps the experienced voters have seen these ballots before, while the inexperienced ones (like cross-over Democrats or first-timers) will be confused.
So what if they’re confused. How will it steer their choice towards one candidate over another? Answer the question.
If they vote for Trump in the first section and don’t vote on the second, or vote for someone else, Trump loses votes.
Yes but if they vote for any of the other candidates in one section and not the other it deprives that candidate of a vote.
You still failed to describe how this ballot is biased for or against anyone in particular.
Of course I knew you would fail right from the git go. It’s obvious this is a confusing ballot but it doesn’t discriminate against any particular candidate. You didn’t stop to think this through but instead are letting a knee jerk (the word knee is optional) reaction steer your thinking. Paranoia will destroy ya.
Man up and admit the error of your way, Jimmy the Duece.
I never claimed it discriminates against any one candidate. Read harder.
But now that I think about it, it would discriminate against whoever the front-runner is. That’s because that person will be voted for the most times. If mistakes due to confusion occur at random, the front-runner would suffer the most loss of delegates. So there.
To be more,clear, Trump claims a lot of his supporters are first-time Republican voters, so that is why it follows that a confusing ballot discriminates against him more, assuming it was equally confusing in the past. If it wasn’t, there will be equal confusion for all, perhaps more so the people who don’t read or comprehend the small print.
“While Trump repeatedly claims he is self-funding his campaign, he has already collected $7.5 million in contributions through the end of January. His website features “Donate” buttons that go to a page that asks for contributions up to $2,700, the maximum legal limit allowed for individuals. ”
Just so we’re clear.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/will-donald-trump-reverse-course-and-seek-donations-for-his-2016-bid/2016/03/11/fd52eca2-e7bf-11e5-b0fd-073d5930a7b7_story.html
The three things you can’t give a Trump rally protester in Chicago:
1. a black eye
2. a fat lip
3. a job
Wow.
Almost as good as your comments about how blacks had better lives as slaves.
Racist much? sheesh
Close. Realist much.
the lizard seems to be having a psychotic episode
or maybe this is him when he is lucid
“… presidential primaries continue to heat up.”
On a lighter note, that would certainly contribute to global warming.
About the Ohio ballot thing: the ‘elite’ (aka ‘those in power’) are trying to get Trump out of the way. On the other side, the Democratic elite (aka ‘those in power’) are trying to get Sanders’ delegates uncounted. Hillary has picked up a ;lot of superdelegates, despite Sanders’ showing in the primaries.
Neither side wants to listen to the People (who usually get it wrong anyway).
How does the Ohio ballot discriminate against any one candidate? I don’t get it. Identical lists of candidates appear in both sections. The ballot is confusing but it doesn’t discriminate.
It discriminates against Republicans.
The Dimowits are running scared. They are too stupid to know it, but this action against Trump will only make him stronger. This will create sympathy for him among fair minded people. Hopefully, the left-wing-nuts screwed themselves.
From the article:
…
Obama buddy and domestic terrorist Bill Ayers was seen protesting Donald Trump in Chicago today.
Thousands of leftwing protesters were expected today to protest Donald Trump at the University of Chicago Illinois campus.
5,000-7,000 people were already inside the pavilion at 5 PM Central. Thousands more were still in a line that stretched several blocks.
…
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03/bill-ayers-protests-trump-in-chicago/
More NFO:
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/17787a327ac849c1b7d0f0cfc4463ca6/trump-faces-questions-about-rally-violence-gop-debate
Trump protesters shut down Chicago rally
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/trump-protesters-shut-down-chicago-rally/
Protests and violence mar Donald Trump rallies
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/protests-and-violence-mar-donald-trump-rallies/
It’s worse than that. Did you see the videos being played non-stop on all the cable news channels? The first swings were being taken by black protesters. That doesn’t make The Donald look bad. It makes him look correct. Politically incorrect but correct in fact. This won’t harm him at all. Just the opposite.
Rubio asks his Ohio supporters to vote for Kasich
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/gop-analysis-ohio-primary-and-a-new-trump/
This is some good stuff. A gaggle of Angry Old White Men couldn’t do better. Dr. Curry was a genius to drain all the usual suspect’s vitriol into this thread, cleaning up the science-related threads considerably.
All you Trumpers might want to consider this apocalyptic vision: After the monumental wall with its multiple layers of razor wire and East German style minefields is built; after the eleven million illegal men, women and children are deported from the huge camps we will concentrate them in before sending them south in boxcars, and after an economic sledgehammer is smashed into the collapsing Mexican economy by making them pay for all of this, am I going to have to watch all my Hispanic brothers all the time to make sure they aren’t strapped up as suicide bombers? Led by their newly -risen spiritual leader, Macho Venganza, will they will arm themselves with the easily-accessible, massive amounts of ordinance available here in the Good Ole Red, White and Blue, and repay us with 10 San Bernadinos a day? I don’t know, but I’m practicing my Spanish, just in case it comes to that. I figure my California tan, a Trump button with cuernos del diablo drawn on it and an accent-free “No Soy Gringo,” might just get me out of a hostage situation.
My wife is a Mexican-American. Third generation. Her large extended family is mostly Republican and Catholic in that order. Nearly all the men have served in the US military. My father-in-law was a sergeant in the US Marines as was I. My brother-in-law is a former Navy Seal. An uncle-in-law is a former border patrol agent. They are the hardest working most honest people I’ve ever had the pleasure of knowing. They don’t like illegals either and refer to them as “wets”. Misbehaving wets prejudice people against Mexican-Americans who play by the rules and do as much as anyone, more than most actually, to support the USA. It’s a shame. Y’all ought to be ashamed of yourselves. Bunch of white pussies afraid of the darkness of your own shadows looking for a whipping boy to transfer your own weaknesses onto. Prosecute the bad guys. Don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater.
David,
Did you see this PBS special? If not, I highly recommend it. It used to be available on the internet, but I think PBS took it down and one now has to buy the DVD.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/class/
It is superb. Absolutely superb.
One of the subtexts of the film is a subject which David Montejano speaks of in Anglos and Mexicans in the Making of Texas, 1836-1986:
Trump is talking about illegals, not Latinos in general or people here legally. I’m not sure what you are referring to, David, but it isn’t Trump.
So John… your fear that failing to kowtow to an illegal minority of non-citizens cause you to roll over for them?
So noted. Vonderlin is a German name. Your ancestors on that side of the family aren’t generally known for rolling over in fear of minorities but rather are famous for institutional genocide instead. Your maternal side must be French, right?
Mr. Springer,
Interesting word kowtow. I would have thought you’d use a purer American term like “knuckle under.” Though I had planned to retire in Mexico before my wife died of cancer, having grown to love the Mexican people in my many travels there, I am a strong supporter of immigration controls. Strong, but sensible, something Mr. Trump rarely demonstrates in his often fact free opinions.
Proffering an apocalyptic vision for consideration if his plans were carried out was my way of reminding people that the legal/illegal community is highly intertwined, with many families having elements of both. Any rash or cruel policies not taking that fact into consideration may birth a violent resistance movement in the U.S. I think the Law of Unintended Consequences is likely to come into play, especially when scapegoating is employed. The drug cartels have already shown an ISIS-like propensity for beheading and the popularity of narcocorridos in the northern states demonstrates a strong folklorish connection to the people. Angry, disaffected young men are the cannon fodder for the Islamic extremist movement. Why would it be any different in this case?
I’m not sure about your point about my heritage; but my mother’s surname was Ingraham, from the Nottingham area of England, famous for Robinhood. Unfortunately, or so I’ve been told, it was the evil Duke of North, Robinhood’s protagonist and the oppressor of the people, that we are related to.
I don’t have a problem with a wall on the Mexico side of the border except for it won’t work unless it’s like the Inner German border.
John Vonderlin,
Those of us who live in Mexico, and are married to Mexican nationals, and are knowlegeable about Mexican politics know that Hillary has quite a love affair going on with these guys.
Obama loves them too, and sent his vice president to Mexico a couple of weeks ago for a love fest.
So sure, if Trump carries through with his rhetoric, it won’t be good for the Mexican oligarchs. Nor will it be good for their partners in crime in the United States, who the Republican/Democratic establishment represents. (Or do you suffer under the delusion that the Republican/Democratic establishment cares about working people on either side of the border?)
But for the everyday Mexican on the street? It’s not at all clear to me that Trump’s policies will be all that bad.
Just as a note of interest, I always assumed that Bush’s Mexican wife was the scion of one of the Mexican gazillionaire families, and that the marriage was more of a corporate merger than a true romance.
But my friends tell me I was mistaken. She was a poor girl from the Mexican state of Guanajuato.
I suppose Bush met her on his travels, fell in love, and that was that.
Trumps dragging Bush’s wife into the campaign and in the manner he did was not appropriate.
“Trump se lanza contra esposa de Jeb Bush; él responde diplomáticamente”
http://mexico.cnn.com/mundo/2015/07/08/donald-trump-se-lanza-ahora-contra-la-esposa-de-jeb-bush-que-es-mexicana
Glenn, do you live in the American section on the coast? What is your take on how to “fix” the Mexican government? Corruption is the main reason I object to foreign aid. It just goes to the corrupt establishment. Kind of like in the US.
jim2,
I don’t have any silver bullets.
If the United States would stop interfering in the internal politics of Mexico on the behalf of transnational corporations, however, that would be a good start.
Or fast gunrunning to the furious and violent, all in aid of framing 2nd Amendment narrative. Victims predominantly south of the torn down never built wall. Bitter, the clinging fingers in the rubble.
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That’s interesting. What specifically does the US do on behalf of international corps?
jim2,
Here’s a recent specific example:
Polls show the energy “reform” was highly unpopular with the Mexican people. It was shoved down the Mexican people’s throats by Clinton working behind the scenes with Mexico’s government, which is extremely corrupt and authoritarian. A poll conducted by Pew Research shows 57% of Mexicans opposed the reforms.
http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2014/08/27/politica/010n2pol
Speaking in more general terms, there’s this recent article in Foreign Policy Magazine:
Glenn – I remember reading about Mexico allowing foreign companies to work in the oilfields. My first thought was that this means more oil for Mexico and more money. But of course, the low price of crude has taken a toll on Mexican income and production so far has not improved.
You mentioned in one of your comments that Hitler’s party was right-wing. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Socialist is even part of the name of the party. If you don’t believe it, take a look at the 25 points of that party. It leaves little doubt. Racism isn’t synonymous with the right and it is very misleading to treat it as such. Racism cuts across all human boundaries.
The 25 points:
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/25points.htm
jim2,
I’ve read quite a bit about mass movements, and the researchers who have devoted a great deal of effort to studying Communism, Fascism and National Socialism that I’ve read tend to focus more on their commonalities than their differences.
These researchers have focused on the conditions which fueled the movements, the types of ideologies they proselytize, the type of person that is attracted to them, and the methods the movements sanction in order to “spread the faith.”
One common characteristic of the people attracted to mass movements is that they lose themselves and their individuality to the movement, giving themselves completely over to the groupthink of the movement.
A second common characteristic of the people attracted to mass movements is that they are willing to self-sacrifice for the movement.
If this is what you mean by “socialist,” then I agree that those were just as much characteristic of National Socialism as they were of Communism.
Eric Hoffer argued that “the best way to fight mass movements is to encourage individualism, contrary thinking and a disinclination to follow blindly the teachings of any leaders, no matter how seemingly benign.”
jim2,
My point about Mexico is that the decision about what to do with their oil and gas should be theirs, and not ours.
But of course it isn’t theirs, and as the Clinton emails reveal we are constantly interfering in Mexico’s internal politics and propping up Mexico’s corrupt and dictatorial government, because it serves the interests of the transnational corporations.
Does the US’s constant interference in Mexico’s politics serve your interests? My interests?
I would be grateful if you could direct me to those emails. Frankly, I haven’t read any of Clintons’s emails. But I would be interested in reading them.
Mexico doesn’t seem to be helping me, so I would have to have a better understanding of what you mean by that. That being said, if the US is in fact propping up the corrupt government of Mexico, I feel it would be a mistake.
Some of the 25 points that I consider socialist are:
hat all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished
Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
We demand the nationalization of all trusts.
We demand profit-sharing in large industries.
We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.
We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.
We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
(This one is scary because it seems to be happening in the US now.) n order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.
Well, the list is getting long, most of what follows these in the 25 points belong here also.
Glenn, I found a little info on the US involvement in the Mexican oil and gas industry. But before we go there, what would you have the US do WRT Mexico? Overthrow the government there? Refuse to do business with Mexico? What?
So, back to oil, I found this piece in the Huffington Post. I don’t see much I would personally get upset about. The HP is huffing about more drilling in the GOM and fracking in Mexico. HP are upset that electricity from frackked gas will be sent to Mexico. I don’t have a problem with people in the US profiting from this. I don’t have a problem with deep water drilling or fracking. And I don’t have a problem selling electricity to Mexico. Wouldn’t this help Mexico?
To put it in Trumpian terms, a good deal profits both parties. From the article:
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Hillary Clinton recently released her energy and climate plans for her presidential campaign, lauded by some.
But to date, she has not commented on the energy reform efforts in Mexico her State Department helped spearhead, which will usher in more deepwater offshore drilling in the Gulf of Mexico and onshore fracking in Mexico’s portion of the Eagle Ford Shale basin. It will also flood the electricity grid with fracked gas emanating from the U.S., a fact proudly proclaimed by Goldwyn and the U.S. Department of Energy.
“[A]s secretary of state, we know that there was quite a revolving door between the oil and gas lobby and her people at State and on her previous campaign staff,” Naomi Klein, author of the book “This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs. the Climate,” said in a recent appearance on Democracy Now! “And I think there’s real reason for concern about whether or not she would be willing to stand up to the oil and gas lobby on Keystone, on Arctic drilling, [or] on any…other issues.”
One thing appears certain: those who laid the groundwork for energy reforms in Mexico have created a perfect climate to profit from the fruits of their labor.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-horn/exclusive-hillary-clinton_b_7963596.html
jim2 said:
The article I linked above goes into quite a bit of detail. For example:
There’s much more.
As the above passage shows, all this stuff is cloak and dagger stuff.
Clinton will never admit to the energy reform efforts in Mexico her State Department helped spearhead, which will usher in more deepwater offshore drilling in the Gulf of Mexico and onshore fracking in Mexico’s portion of the Eagle Ford Shale basin. As the diplomatic cable above implies, that would be kryptonite to Mexico’s ruling elites.
And what would “help Mexico” should be up to the Mexican people, not you or me, or US diplomats and Mexico’s unbelievably corrupt and dictatorial governmnet, which the US keeps propped up.
The first thing I would have the United States do WRT Mexico is to do away with the Merida Initiative, which is the most violent means the US employs to keep Mexico’s corrupt and dictatorial government propped up.
As to National Socialism, yes it began as a so-called “populist” movement which made many promises to the popular classes.
But as I pointed out above, it was financed from the get-go by the German oligarchs, and enjoyed the enthusiastic support of the lords of capital in both the US and the UK.
https://judithcurry.com/2016/03/08/u-s-presidential-discussion-thread-part-ii/#comment-770437
So Hitler never had any intentions of carrying through on those promises to the popular classes.
In politics, the talk is often, but of course not always, 180º opposite the walk.
This is what many fear in Trump. But as I noted above, I am not convinced those fears will come true.
Here’s how George Orwell explained the difference between the talk and the walk when it comes to the popular classes and Fascism:
Here’s how Reinhold Niebuhr put it:
How did the protests in Chicago play out which caused Trump to cancel the rally?
Even the BBC was moderately sympathetic to Trump.
Is it seen as an attack on free speech or the shape of things to come with Trump polarising the country which may lose him support?
tonyb
No this works to gain support. The protesters are from small angry minorities. The key word is minority. The general public who cower in fear of being seen as politically incorrect don’t fear casting a secret ballot for someone who says what they only dare think. Metaphorically speaking (he DOES have tiny hands after all) Trump’s got some huge cajones. I’ll give him that. The secret service is going to have its work cut out for it keeping him from getting shot. Good thing they had 8 years to practice first with another president who came into office with a bullseye on his back. I don’t them needing to shut down any of Obama’s rallies so Trump’s problem with hate groups is obviously worse.
” I don’t them needing to shut down any of Obama’s rallies so Trump’s problem with hate groups is obviously worse.”
That’s because most of the right wing protesters were well behaved, unfortunately left wing protesters are fascist (they don’t mind blocking others first ammendment rights, while exercising their own first ammendment rights).
Someone one mentioned that was what Hitler ‘ s brown shirts did, prevent free speech. And the say Trump is like Hitler, when it’s really the other way around.
Obama has already done things much worse to the US than Trump is proposing. I don’t get the one-sidedness of this conversation.
micro6500,
The Democratic partisans have labored long and hard to paint the Republican Party as the party of authoritarianism.
In their one-eyed tribalism, they even try to put a scientific gloss, a la Lewandowsky, on their politicking, such as in this article.
So the search for sin and the demonization of the other goes on, only now hiding behind the mask of science.
Hi Tony
The protests will harden the support of his followers and probably get him some sympathy votes. Americans treasure free speech but they also love them some law and order. Their patience is going to wear thin.
This is starting to remind me of the protests of 67-68. That was epitomized by the riots at the 68 Chicago Democratic Convention. The Silent Majority had had enough and they voted in “law and order”
Today the demographics are different. The white working/middle class is a plurality only. Because of this, assuming Trump gets the nomination, I don’t know how the election will turn out. It could get uglier before it gets better.
Despite this America is going to get through it. I’ve heard dozens of times how one party or the other is near collapse. Morons! The attacks on Trump likening him to infamous historical figures are also moronic. Some of the elite (now unprecedented from BOTH sides) have gone off the deep end and are marginally in need of institutionalization.
We have a resilient culture and these piss ants have a superficial grasp of the American mindset.
tonyb,
I don’t know how it will play out. The situation is entirely too complex and turbulent to know what’s going to happen.
In Mexican Americans, the Ambivalent Minority, Peter Skerry analyzes Mexican American politics by breaking it down into three types:
• Friends-and-neighbors
• Protest
• Elite-network
Friends-and-neighbors tends to dominate in Texas, whereas Protest and Elite-network dominates in California.
Here’s Skerry’s take on protest politics:
Skerry says there exists a “symbiosis” between protest politics and elite-network politics.
Elite-network politics consists of politicans who represent Mexican-American districts, but receive their campaign funding from wealthy benefactors who live outside the district. “By pointing over their shoulders to the ‘crazies’ behind them,” Skerry explains, the elite-network politicans “ensure themselves a role to play. In essence, Chicano activists enhance the opportunity for Mexican-American politicans to act as a brokers to the Democratic leadership.”
The true constiuency of the elite-network politicians, of course, consists of their wealthy benefactors. And the protest politicians have no constiuency which they have to answer to. They are accountable only to themselves.
Skerry predicted that the combination of elite-network and protest politics was unsustainable. He concludes that
Trump is going to have a big problem making certain deals with Texas. A wall isn’t going to happen. States rights isn’t an esoteric concept and Texas won’t give in to federal bullying. We’re too big and important to push around. The Union needs Texas more than Texas needs the union in other words. Federal bullies can stay at home. Maybe we need to put a fence at the northern borders of Texas instead of the southern.
Texas is 24th in dependency on the Federal government.
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/#main-findings
Well, it’s not like we didn’t know this already, but all this surveillance in the US has nothing to do with terrorism. Terrorists will find secure ways to communicate, Playstation is a real example. It has to do with violating our Constitutional rights to collect taxes.
From the article:
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AUSTIN, Texas (Reuters) – U.S. President Barack Obama on Friday made a passionate case for mobile devices to be built in such a way as to allow government to gain access to personal data if needed to prevent a terrorist attack or enforce tax laws.
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https://ca.news.yahoo.com/obama-says-cannot-legal-case-apple-inc-223034884–finance.html
Ezra Klein states: “So was this debate substantive? Sure, in the sense that it focused on weighty policy topics like Social Security and trade and the assembled candidates mostly used their inside voices. But the things the candidates actually said were, by turns, wrong, misleading, misinformed, confused, or ridiculous. This substantive debate mostly showed how weak a grasp on the issues the candidates actually have.”
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/debate-republicans-replace-bad-behavior-bad-answers
Political BS from Klein. To be expected.
Fox more palatable? “Oftentimes, Trump seemed to lean on his “art of the deal” to explain his approach to global challenges. But it earned him criticism from the others on stage.”
and
“I will do everything in my power not to touch Social Security,” Trump said. He said he’d instead get rid of waste, fraud and abuse — including by ensuring the government bids out contracts.
Rubio, though, said, “You’re still going to have hundreds of billions of dollars of deficit that you’re going to have to make up.” He called for gradually raising the retirement age to 70.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/11/rubio-shifts-tactics-trump-sticks-to-themes-seeks-unity-at-subdued-gop-debate.html
If Trump aggressively cuts the size of government, that would be one solution I’m thinking. Give power back to the States, where it belongs. Put a stop to the centralized madness.
Of course, Trump would have to start with the hot mess created by the (Re)Dimowits. That’s a huge problem left to fix and half of the debt is Obummer’s. Obummer is much worse than Trump, and he’s already demonstrated it by screwing up the US even more than before. He’s worse than useless.
Trump rally in Ohio. Looks like at airport hangar. I am guessing cable news outlets will cover due to the –snip– that happened in that Democrat bastion of peace love and freedom, Chiraq. I wonder how many murders they had overnight.
thttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lH2vuaN384
About 17000 watching video feed and The Donald hasn’t arrived yet.
Not long ago they had 21 murders in 20 daze. That’s one way to take care of the riff raff, let them shoot each other. We should be buying them guns.
Over 21000 watching now and The Donald’s jet Donald Force I has not arrived yet. Dude is unstoppable.
Watching El Trumpo has the fascination of a slow-motion train-wreck. People are interested.
Hi Don,
Thanks for the heads up. I enjoyed watching the speech, as it gives an insight as to why Trump has been so successful in his campaigning.
Did you see the part where some protesters tried to attack Trump at the podium and the Secret Service agents had to remove them?
So who are the real Brown Shirts? It’s not at all clear.
The optics were interesting, what with the Trump airplane serving as a backdrop.
Somebody has already put a clip up:
Donald Trump Attacked By Protester During Vandalia Ohio Rally 3/12/2016
Glenn
From that clip I am not too sure what happened. There was an off camera incident that caused Trump to comment that someone needed to go home to their mummy, then towards the end of the clip he seemed to duck whilst several burly men jumped in to protect him
So what were the two separate incidents, who caused them and what was their justification?
tonyb
Tony, that’s how liberal extremists (to be clear: leftists, socialists, communists) behave in this country. Even though they are a minority, they try to disrupt the legal gatherings of others in order to advance their cause and stymie the causes of others. IMO, they should be jailed.
Bumbling sticks bundle sticks.
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Only yesterday Trump said there used to be consequences for protesters. Perhaps he wants to model this country after China, authoritarian that he is. Protesting is free speech.
Tony. From the article:
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No other news organization has documented the rise and origins of the groups behind Friday night’s madhouse as thoroughly as the team at Breitbart News. From its origins being exposed in the film Occupy Unmasked before the election cycle to covering and exposing every aspect of the new Black Lives Matter incarnation, we’ve given readers the intellectual ammunition to understand the dangerous rise of the new American left in the Obama era.
Just this week, we published two 2,500 word exposés that laid bare not just the history of deception and media collusion that made last night’s rout of Donald Trump’s rally in the Windy City possible, but we also examined the 50 years of progressive hatred that caused such an outpouring of bile on social media after the death of former first lady Nancy Reagan.
We believe that those who don’t know history are condemned to repeat it, and as we pointed out in January in a definitive piece, we both illuminated the past and predicted the future.:
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http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/03/12/we-warned-you-trump-shutdown-is-just-the-beginning/
The snide little left-loon rascal-yes you yimmy- thinks it’s OK to deny freedom of assembly and free speech to others, as long as it is for the cause. Shameless little Alinskyite to the bone. Maybe this will put Ohio in The Donald’s win column. I spent some time in the very sensible Buckeye State and the good folks of Ohio don’t like this kind of crap.
It’s now the lead story on CNN.com.
The CNN video is completely different from the Fox one linked above.
Rubio, Cruz and Kasich are all jumping on the Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders wagon and blaming Trump for the violence:
Rubio: “I think we also have to look at the rhetoric coming from the front-runner in the presidential campaign,” he told reporters in Largo, Florida. “Someone who’s basically encouraged people in the audience to rough up anyone who stands up and says something he doesn’t like.”
Cruz: “Unlike Donald Trump, I don’t ask people in the audience to punch people in the face. I don’t ask them to engage in physical violence against protesters,” he said in Kansas City. “And I think the way you interact with the citizens expresses what kind of president you’ll be.”
Kasich: “Donald Trump has created a toxic environment, and a toxic environment has allowed his supporters and those who sometimes seek confrontation to come together in violence,” Kasich told reporters in Sharonville, Ohio. “To see Americans slugging themselves at a political rally deeply disturbed me. We’re better than that.”
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/12/politics/donald-trump-protests/index.html
We’ll see come tuesday whether siding with Hillary, Bernie and the protesters gains them any traction or not.
They’re not siding with anybody. They’re just desperately grasping for a spin that can bring King Trump Louis XII” down to size.
Maybe trophy wife wants to be like Jackie O and remodel the White House more to King Trump Louis XII”‘s liking:
http://www.livescience.com/images/i/000/055/814/i02/versailles-mirrors.jpg?1376521554
Trump continues to poll well. My emphasis:
Friday, March 11
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Florida Republican Presidential Primary Florida Times-Union Trump 43, Rubio 24, Cruz 21, Kasich 10 Trump +19
Florida Republican Presidential Primary Trafalgar Group (R) Trump 42, Rubio 23, Cruz 21, Kasich 11 Trump +19
Florida Republican Presidential Primary WTSP/Mason-Dixon Trump 36, Rubio 30, Cruz 17, Kasich 8 Trump +6
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Illinois Republican Presidential Primary WeAskAmerica Trump 33, Cruz 20, Kasich 18, Rubio 11 Trump +13
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North Carolina Republican Presidential Primary High Point University Trump 48, Cruz 28, Rubio 8, Kasich 12 Trump +20
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Missouri Republican Presidential Primary Fort Hays St. University Trump 36, Cruz 29, Rubio 9, Kasich 8 Trump +7
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Maryland Republican Presidential Primary Baltimore Sun Trump 34, Cruz 25, Kasich 18, Rubio 14 Trump +9
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This above from:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
“Hillary Clinton Appears Before Rally Completely Nude In Bid For Authenticity”
http://www.theonion.com/article/hillary-clinton-appears-rally-completely-nude-bid–52516
I … I … I can’t see!!!! I can’t see!!!
These googles, they do everything.
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Reposted to the proper thread:
The victims of the Chicago violence were Trump and the people who wanted to attend the rally. But of course the disingenuous liars are blaming Trump.
http://www.infowars.com/vote-4-trump-you-get-jumped/
The future shall not belong except to itself.
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Truth to terrorists …
From the article:
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The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and other Muslim leaders are demanding that GOP frontrunner Donald Trump issue an apology for saying “Islam hates us.”
CAIR has been declared a terrorist organization by the United Arab Emirates and was named by federal prosecutors as an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas-funding operation.
CAIR official Nihad Awad said there are “extremist elites” who say statements that are “bigoted like Donald Trump.” He added, “They may assume the highest office of the land,” saying that’s “dangerous.”
CAIR’s press release also argues the “Islamophobic rhetoric” from Trump and other Republican officials “is to blame at least in part for the recent unprecedented spike in anti-Muslim hate incidents nationwide.”
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/11/cair-demands-apology-from-donald-trump-for-saying-islam-hates-us/
From the article:
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Coburn’s little spit wad of venomous outrage illustrates perfectly why millions of grassroots Republicans have given up on the Republican Party’s “leaders” and turned to Donald Trump.
Coburn joined the “blame America first” club by blaming America’s “recent behavior” for Islam’s hatred of us.
Coburn’s criticism was a huge gift to Trump because ordinary Americans understand the problem of radical Islam better than Tom Coburn. Unlike our Republican “leaders” in the US Senate, outside a few cocoons of self-delusion like New York and Washington, Americans are not friendly to the notion that we are to blame to Islam’s hatred of everything American.
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/12/welcome-to-the-why-is-trump-winning-contest-republican-senator-coburn-is-exhibit-a/
Trump live in KC. Having fun with the protesters. The protesters are just giving him meat.
http://fox4kc.com/on-air/live-streaming-sc/#
Trump at 104% of nomination track. No room for error. If he doesn’t get to half the delegates then all delegates are freed to vote for whoever they want. Rubio becomes kingmaker at that point. He’s an establishment boy and the establishment has designated Cruz as the beneficiary of Rubio’s delegates. Unless Trump can make a deal with Rubio, which seems unlikely, he will lose.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/
Which is it? Delegates are free to vote whoever they want after first ballot fails to produce a majority winner, or that little loser Rubio owns his delegates and gets to decide who the nominee is? Trump will lose if the establishment wants to self-destruct. They are stoopid, but probably not that stoopid.
Trump could lose a lot of his delegates because they are only committed for the first round, but most of them are ‘establishment’ long-term Republicans who could go where the ‘Party’ wants them to in the next round which could be anyone but Trump. The Party can even bring in new candidates at that stage. Romney 2016, anyone? it’s a self-enclosed world at the convention, like choosing a Pope. The will of the people won’t figure.
You are a clueless little chump, yiminy. Zero cred. No respect. Give it up.
It depends on the state. In some the candidate can choose his own delegates, in others they are selected from among people who registered a preference for the candidate, in others the party aparatchiks select them.
In any case they are not compelled beyond the first vote. If a candidate drops out and endorses one of those remaining then the endorsement is generally honored by his pledged delegates.
A candid assessment of the situation is that the negative sentiment felt towards Trump by registered republicans active within the party will be his undoing in a brokered convention. He needs to go into the convention with over half.
It’s hard to imagine what Trump might say to “little Marco” that would convince him to endorse Trump instead of Cruz. Making enemies of those you might need in the future isn’t usually a good idea. Trump engineered his own failure in a brokered convention.
Kasich is leading by a wide margin in Ohio now which is going to make it very difficult for Trump to get over 50% at the end of the day.
But hey, why should Trump care? He’s still a multi-billionaire whether he’s president or not, right?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/opinion/sunday/the-party-still-decides.html?_r=0
Should the Party succumb to the will of 35% of its voters in choosing an unfit nominee? That is the question for their convention to answer.
Yet more of the entertainment value: “He’s running well behind her in polls this month by The Washington Post/ABC News and The Wall Street Journal/NBC News. More alarming to Republicans, in the Post/ABC survey, only 27 percent of voters rated Mr. Trump as honest, 10 points less than Mrs. Clinton on an issue that is her Achilles’ heel. In the Journal/NBC poll, Mr. Trump got a 64 percent negative rating from all voters compared with only a 25 percent positive. That 39-point net negative is territory previously reached only by politicians such as Richard Nixon during impeachment.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/14/us/politics/gop-effort-to-block-trump-may-lead-to-a-morass.html
As an unqualified President, required on-the-job training means he would be no more than a celebrity apprentice.
The Wall Street Journal polls have been way off the mark. Polling this far out from November doesn’t mean much anyway.
The Donald drawing yuuuge crowds to stadiums and polling places who has been a very successful President and CEO for a long time. Kasich has successful executive experience, but he’s a dishrag and running dead last. Then you have the two first-term Senator also-rans, the old commie and the corporate crony Benghazi –snip–up granny whose claim to fame is the formerly successful and scandalous broken down husband who can no longer draw flies to a campaign event. And the olde granny is in the sights of the FBI and the intelligence community, who got the goods on the olde thang. I am still going with The Donald.
A shutout for The Donald and Cruz in Washington, D.C. primary Saturday. Rubio scored 10 delegates and Kasich 9.
In Wyoming yesterday Ted Cruz became the first candidate to win a state by a majority receiving 66% of the votes (9 delegates). Rubio and Trump got 1 delegate each. The rest of Wyoming’s 26 delegates are at-large and will be elected at the state convention in April.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/12/opinions/defend-trump-free-speech-opinion-randazza/index.html
From the article:
…
Instead, by choosing to challenge Taft, Roosevelt himself initiated what he called “the biggest fight the Republican Party has been in since the Civil War.”
Roosevelt called Taft “a fathead” and said he possessed “the brains of a guinea pig.” The incumbent was equally tough, suggesting that Roosevelt wanted to stay in power for “perhaps the rest of his natural life.” “The rhetoric was much worse than what we’re seeing now between the mainstream Republicans and the Tea Party,” said Ms. Goodwin.
It was not merely words. At state and local Republican conventions in 1912, there were dynamite explosions, scenes of Taft supporters wielding clubs and baseball bats and even of a supporter of Roosevelt holding a loaded gun to the head of a leader of a Taft delegation.
Later, at the national convention in Chicago, fistfights broke out in the galleries between delegates. It was clear that their internal divisions would prove fatal in November. Or, as one former Republican senator put it of Taft and Roosevelt, “The only question now is which corpse gets the most flowers.”
Roosevelt, apparently recognizing he had erred by not running for re-election in 1908, would eventually say he would cut off his hand to take that pledge back.
…
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/22/sunday-review/a-reading-list-for-feuding-republicans.html
jim2,
Politics in the US is pretty mild compared to what it used to be, or what it still is in places like Japan.
Or Mexico
From the article:
…
Americans thinking of moving to Canada if Donald Trump becomes U.S. President should perhaps think again. The other Republican candidates could be even scarier, a top asset manager told CNBC on Friday.
Paul Gambles, the managing director of MBMG Group, told CNBC that Trump had no foreign policy — and as such, posed less international danger than fellow Republican contenders Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz.
“I have been more appalled by Donald Trump than just about anybody, I think, but when I started to look at the consequences of him getting the Republican nomination, you know what, the others look even worse … The good thing about Donald Trump is, because he doesn’t have a foreign policy, he is probably a lot less dangerous than either Rubio or Cruz put together,” he said.
…
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/11/rubio-cruz-scarier-than-trump-investor.html
From the article:
…
So where is the 2016 election going to end up, according to Wall Street? The bank insider said his bet — like many of the pundits on cable television — is that the general election will feature Clinton against Trump. But he said his banking audience doesn’t realize just how close such a matchup in November could be.
“The head-to-head polling shows Trump losing in the general by 13 points,” the insider said. “Right now, I think the market is not really paying that much attention to the general election. But I have a feeling that there’s going to be a point when all of a sudden it looks a lot tighter, and that means more uncertainty for markets.”
He said he’s already trying to figure out just who President Donald Trump would appoint as chairman of the Federal Reserve.
…
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/11/why-these-election-pundits-are-shy-shhhthey-talk-to-wall-st.html
Timothy Geithner
Where’s my fine point indelible pen?
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When Trump Talks Trade, Voters Listen
There’s a revolution in Europe, too. From the article:
…
German voters’ damning verdict on open-door migration: Angela Merkel is punished in crucial state elections as far-Right party wins big vote with call to stop flow of refugees
Three German regions vote for state legislatures on ‘Super Sunday’
Baden-Wuerttemberg, Rhineland-Palatinate and Saxony-Anhalt all vote
Angela Merkel’s party set to lose support in the wake of refugee crisis
Exit polls suggest the Christian Democratic Union has lost in two states
Anti-immigration Alternative for Germany (AFD) set to win seats at all three
For more of the latest on Angela Merkel visit http://www.dailymail.co.uk/merkel
…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3489936/Angela-Merkel-set-punished-voters-open-door-refugee-policy-Germany-s-Super-Sunday-state-elections.html
max1ok
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What ? Many people (Trump fans) don’t want to adapt to “Mexicans, immigration status unknown.”
I drive from the Twin Cities to Morris, MN to pick up and drop off my college attending son. I prefer to stay off the freeways for this drive. Many towns along the way are a shell of their former self. Closed up businesses. One thing we do well in Minnesota is food production and processing. We need all the inputs, not the ones Trump wants us to have. We need a certain kind of labor.
“A 2011 report from Minnesota 2020 notes that “new residents to Minnesota are reviving commercial property in communities throughout the state and are starting businesses…along main streets and in shopping malls in Austin, Albert Lea, Rochester, Worthington, Willmar, Crookston, Moorhead, and small cities surrounding these rural marketing and manufacturing cities.””
Is the report trustworthy or fluff? Austin – Hormel. Worthington – Turkey Capital of the World. Willmar – Jennie O Turkey. Seems reasonable to me. Trump has the nomination. It’s a brave new world with the libertarians still on the sidelines. I still see immigration and capitalism as helping these Minnesotan cities and smaller ones as well.
Post apocalyptic Minnesota, eh? But be grateful for what the Plutocrats do for you.
The big blue Trump Force I about to land in Boca Raton. Thousands waiting for the next POTUS. And 40,000 watching online:
I happened to catch part of Fox News Sunday. Trump was being interviewed by Wallace. Trump revealed that he personally gave Megyn Kelly the BBB rating of Trump University, an A rating, after the TU dustup, and Fox didn’t correct their mistake on the air. Wallace said they had to check it out first. Fox should have “checked it out” before they trotted out that lie. Trump said this is dishonest of Fox. Wallace could only manage a nervous laugh.
Trump owned what he has said about protesters, but pointed out that even with 25-30 thousand people at his rallies, no one has been hurt. And he pointed out he called off the Chicago rally which no doubt prevented violence.
Finally, he hinted there will be no more debates for him. I see his point. He is bringing in millions of viewers to the news orgs, only to have the news orgs bring out the long knives, overwhelmingly against him and not so much for the others. A bad deal, as he might say.
Jim2,
Why not go to the source?
“6. During the period when Trump University appeared to be active in the marketplace, BBB received multiple customer complaints about this business. These complaints affected the Trump University BBB rating, which was as low as D- in 2010. As the company appeared to be winding down, after 2013, no new complaints were reported. Complaints over three years old automatically rolled off of the Business Review, according to BBB policy. As a result, over time, Trump University’s BBB rating went to an A in July 2014 and then to an A+ in January 2015.
7. Trump University has never been a BBB Accredited Business. The document handed to the debate moderators on Thursday night could not have been an actual “Better Business Bureau accreditation notice” for this business.
– See more at: http://www.bbb.org/council/news-events/news-releases/2016/03/statement-by-better-business-bureau-serving-metropolitan-new-york-and-council-of-better-business-bureaus/#sthash.zwm0M2DU.dpuf
Maybe Fox didn’t have a mistake to correct.
From the BBB web site:
You searched Businesses for trump university
Businesses
1 businesses, ordered by relevance.
Related Searches 3
Investment Seminars (2)
Educational Consultants (2)
Training Programs (2)
Business Name BBB Accredited
The Trump Entrepreneur Initiative
aka (Formerly) Trump University
http://www.bbb.org/search/?type=name&input=trump+university&location=&tobid=&filter=business&radius=&country=USA%2CCAN&language=en&codeType=YPPA
Jim2,
Clicked on your link and did copy and paste to here.
“Business Name BBB Accredited
The Trump Entrepreneur Initiative
aka (Formerly) Trump University
Headquarters:
40 Wall Street, 32nd Floor
New York, NY 10005 No
Read BBB’s Headquarters Review
File a Complaint
Other Locations 1
Category: Training Programs”
– See more at: http://www.bbb.org/search/?type=name&input=trump+university&location=&tobid=&filter=business&radius=&country=USA%2CCAN&language=en&codeType=YPPA#sthash.ufYy7Rrw.dpuf
If you’ll recheck, you’ll see that on the site the very large two letter word beside the address as pasted here is the word No and it’s aligned right under the heading of BBB accredited. The BBB’s statement which I posted above clearly states TU was not accredited and your link confirms.
Eh. Didn’t align correctly in the cut and paste, but if you’ll recheck the link it’s quite clear.
The last rating given by BBB was A+, then not rated.
At any rate, TU is suspended until the court case is over. As Trump pointed out, the case was brought by one of those lawyers that likes to work class action lawsuits. In those, the lawyer makes out like a bandit … if he wins. I have a feeling this one will leave empty handed and President Trump’s children will reopen the University.
Jim2,
So we’re in agreement that according to the BBB website and the statement, TU and TEI are not accredited by BBB. The readers can see for themselves the BBB’s explanation for how ‘rating creep’ (in this case from a D- to an A due to complaints dropping off as business was no longer being conducted) can occur due to a business ending activities leading to the falling off of older complaints automatically. This has nothing to do with an improvement in the associated businesses but instead is due to the BBB’s own processes.
Trump called out Fox based on this? Didn’t someone once state ‘you’re entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts’?
Jim, you’re defending the indefensible. It’s not even a close call. Trump is calling out Fox news all while being as disingenuous as it comes. (And I’m not a fan of Fox nor most MSM’s)
Then, the ‘lawyer that likes to work class action suits’ does not control the court: “The Appellate Division unanimously rejected Trump’s request to dismiss the 2013 suit, ruling that a six-year statute of limitations applies. The four justices also denied New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman’s request for an immediate judgment, saying there are material issues of fact that should be decided at trial.”
http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-03-01/ny-court-says-fraud-suit-over-trump-university-can-continue
” The readers can see for themselves the BBB’s explanation for how ‘rating creep’ (in this case from a D- to an A due to complaints dropping off as business was no longer being conducted)”
First, you can see the BBB did list an A, and maybe if you’re a billionaire who’s lawyers is dealing with the court procedures might not realize it’s due to the suspension of activities.
Of course it also says it had a low of D-, but was operated for a couple years before and after, where the rating isn’t listed at all. And logic says, it had to be better than the lowest rating.
So again you can see, this it written to be as bad as possible, and left any positive info out altogether, ie it’s biased.
Micro,
You were doing just fine until you started doing when you didn’t do so well until you quit doing which meant you were then doing just fine. Biased? Don’t think so. Evaluation of the actual business while business was being conducted is more likely.
The business was in operation both before and after the time it got a low of D-, Ignore the A after it closed, why didn’t they also state the high rating from when it was open?
That seems biased.
Micro,
When asked for documentation, Hicks, the Trump spokesperson didn’t follow up according to this. Having a good grade before is moot. While actually conducting business, (and during the time leading to it’s demise?) the grade was poorer.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/feb/28/donald-trump/fact-checking-donald-trumps-claims-about-trump-uni/
Trump suggesting Fox lied is factually inaccurate.
“why didn’t they also state the high rating from when it was open?” Asked my Buddy for a good place to eat, he responded this place used to be fantastic but now they suck, oh, and they’re out of business. Which part matters?
That wasn’t the allegation, it was whether it was a rip off or not.
I’m not even arguing it was good, but lots of companies do training in hotels, you can probable find a lot of the even successful real estate investing classes have bad ratings at times. He stopped it, and he has report cards from the people suing him, giving it a good rating. Let’s see how the suit is handled.
Micro,
Agree with your last comment except it was the allegation which began in the link provided here: https://judithcurry.com/2016/03/08/u-s-presidential-discussion-thread-part-ii/#comment-771286 in the first paragraph, which is why I suggested Fox had no mistake to correct w/r/t the rating.
The courts have said material information needs to be vetted and that is indeed the important part of if TU was a ‘rip off’. I’ve never alleged that, as I have no information. My issue is the portrayal of the rating.
Well, they did list an A on the BBB site. The Donald stated they provided additional info to the BBB, and the grade went up, while new classes were suspended waiting on the courts.Not a lie then. And, probably what a business ought to do.
And, they should have said: they got additional evidence during the commercial showing a higher grade, and need to vet it.
Micro,
“Well, they did list an A on the BBB site.” Not while a going concern (the spokesperson, Hicks, was provided an opportunity to document that it was and did not respond). And not the last grade while a going concern.
Were you to make a business decision based on the BBB rating, would you accept the A (when business was not being conducted) or would you look at the overall? Preponderance of the evidence, and all.
If I was a business I’d review my options and if I had concerns about my favorite option I’d discuss it with them and see if that concern is valid or not.
I wouldn’t even call the BBB unless I saw some red flag during my discussions with a supplier.
It is easy to find fact checks of this on the internet. Here is one. In short, the A rating was not for the TU business that took students, but for a follow-up TEI business after it stopped. D- was the last rating before they stopped taking students, so Megyn Kelly was right.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/03/08/fact-check-trump-university-d-minus-rating/81504824/
“Clinton and Sanders accuse Trump of inciting violence”
Quack or crook? Snake oil doctor or live viper? Handle with care.
===============
“What really happened at the Chicago rally – My Firsthand Account”
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4a2bu9/what_really_happened_at_the_chicago_rally_my/
From the point of view of a Trump supporter:
Did the Sanders protesters learn from the climatariat, or the climatariat learn from the Sanders protesters?
Either way, they both believe the enemy must be silenced by being shouted down.
Of course Sanders is even worse, because he wants to pass laws so that the long of the arm does his silencing for him.
We stopped Trump! We stopped Trump! We stopped Trump!
Shame on you! Shame on you! F**k Tump! The people, united, will never be divided!
F**k Trump!
“A dispatch from the thwarted March 11 Trump rally in Chicago
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/03/eyewitness-report-from-the-thwarted-trump-rally.html
From the point of view of a Sanders supporter:
Here’s how CBS News is spinning the story:
Trump continues to court chaos at rallies
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/trump-continues-to-court-chaos-at-rallies/
Campaigns gear up for second Super Tuesday
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/campaigns-gear-up-for-second-super-tuesday/
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/cbs-news-battleground-tracker-poll-is-trump-on-track-to-win-nomination/
Here’s how the LA Times is spinning the story:
Trump’s endorsement of violence reaches new level: He may pay legal fees for assault suspect
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trump-campaign-protests-20160313-story.html
Notice how the LA Times photo gallery has very carefully bowldlerized the Sanders supporters in order to sugar coat them.
Notice also how the LA Times tries to make it all about identity politics (race and ethnicity) and not about class issues “(good jobs for working class folks):
Here’s how the LA Times portrays the two sides.
It’s quite obvious the LA Times has a dog in this fight, what with its very deliberate manipulation of powerful images to cast the two sides in a very different light.
If the world were only so black and white as what the LA Times would have us believe.
The Trump side, the Heil Hitler wanabes:
And here’s the Sanders side, all goodnes and light:
More from the article.
I wonder how many folks actually believe the left-loon media narrative that Trump is responsible for the deliberate disruption, chaos, violence caused by organized left-loon Soviet-style goon invaders financed and sent to his rallies by that ugly little Alinskyite goon George Soros.
Ohio should be a good indication on whether or not the left-loon mainstream media has any credibility left with the folks. Kasich should be way ahead of The Donald in his home state. A win for the Donald would send a strong message to the neo-Soviet –snip–holes and their overpaid vicarious communist dilletante talking head allies in the media.
It looks like it’s gonna be fun
I think there will be a lot of Democrats that switch over to vote for Trump tomorrow, that wouldn’t be in a Republican only survey.
I’m not sure John is going to get those or not.
micro,
It’s full court press for the mainstream media (MSM).
CBS just realeased a new video, an inteview with a NY Times correspondent.
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/fallout-from-violence-at-donald-trump-rallies/
Of all the MSM outlets, the NY Times is the most sophisticated at making advocacy look like news.
This should come as no surprise.
The largest stockholder of the NY Times is the Mexican gallionaire, Carlos Slim, who for the past decade or so has found himself in a photo finish with Gates and Buffet for world’s richest man.
Say what you want to about the Mexican oligarchs, but they know how to do propaganda right.
Is Mexican Billionaire Carlos Slim Becoming The New York Times’ Largest Investor Purely Business?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/doliaestevez/2015/01/15/is-mexican-billionaire-carlos-slim-becoming-the-new-york-times-largest-investor-purely-business/#6dfd35046aea
Here’s a photo of Slim with Gates. This is what the working stiffs in the United States and Mexico are up against.
Before Trump ran over them like a Mack truck, my preferred candidates were Scott Walker and Kasich. Not a dynamic duo, but competent. Gave a significant amount of money to help Walker in his fights with the union goons. Met the guy. He ain’t so telegenic or awe inspiring, but liked him anyway. Still do. Liked Kasich until he took the side of the Soros-Alinskyite crowd over defending the rights of freedom of assembly and speech. Wouldn’t give that little runt a penny or a helping hand if he were drowning, now.
Big problem with The Donald is that he is not strategically opening up that big fat wallet of his. He should have spent at least $20 million in Ohio.
Democrats accuse Donald Trump of inciting violence
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/democrats-accuse-donald-trump-of-inciting-violence/
I’ll bet that’s right, since it’s the transnational ruling class that Clinton represents, and not the American people.
Not much to crow about in the field on both sides…
Bernie – A strong socialist. Not what this country was founded on.
Hillary – All things despicable. A political animal, a fabricator of untruths, a breaker of national security laws. A Clinton.
Rubio – didn’t even show up to represent his own state. Not a leader.
Cruz – Untrustworthy, establishment politician. Part of why we’re in this mess.
Trump – Loud and crude. No filter on his mouth. Not politically correct. These things are either seen as deal-makers or deal-breakers. Polarizing.
A wild amateur guess from Ohio. I am holding my nose big time and voting for Kasich to stop Trump. (I strongly disagree with his immigration policies which is the biggest issue for me) I think enough people will be like me such that Kasich will win in Ohio.
I will likely do the same.
Andrew
Smart move, jd. Open borders is good for Ohio. Bad Andrew hasn’t decided yet. Keep Kasich in the mix and you might help Trump. Naive clowns.
Clinton responds to Trump rally violence
http://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/03/12/hillary-clinton-condemns-violence-at-trump-rally.cnn
Super Tuesday 3: What to watch
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/15/politics/primary-election-2016-what-to-watch/index.html
And perhaps the best political commentary I’ve seen: Bob Schieffer admits that the Uncertainty Monster is raising its head.
Schieffer, being the estabishment spear carrier that he is, of course views the head of the Uncertainty Monster to be a very ugly one.
But for the establishment to admit to uncertainty is quite an accomplishment, in and of itself.
This is just too funny:
Trump’s ‘size’ is now a campaign issue. How’s Hillary Clinton supposed to deal with that?
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/08/opinions/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-penis-jokes/index.html
The video is hillarious.
Who says politics can’t be fun?
Glenn,
Sigh. Just…….sigh.
King Trump Louis XII”
Let them eat cake…
Oh good grief, Danny, lighten up.
The way you carry on one would think these spectacles we call elections actually have something to do with the way the country is governed.
The country is governed by a bunch of unelected bureaucrats, technocrats and scientist kings whose only goal in life is to make the Carlos Slims, Bill Gates and Warren Buffets of the world even richer than what they already are.
Give credit where credit’s due. Trump is pulling back the curtain on this farce, and showing our sham “democracy” for what it really is. And for this he deserves a round of gratitude, even if you don’t like his methods or his message.
Glenn,
Thank you for that wake up call! It’s appreciated. Sounds like I should just ignore the noise about how Obama has ruled like a king and Hillary doing the same would be just fine. Or, that Bernie will turn us all into a socialist country. Or Trump will fix all that ails this country.
Guess I’ll relax, turn on the telly, and watch some coyote’s buffoonery attempting to catch a roadrunner.
Guessing that roadrunner has the bigger pair.
JCH
You have no right to post a picture of my dining room.
tonyb
Tony, what’s going to happen with the Brexit vote? Looks like Europeans are catching on to the fact that the naive internationalism/open borders crap ain’t working so well. See recent elections where practical nativism is making a comeback.
Don
The debate hasn’t really caught fire as yet. People tend to vote for the Status quo and it must be remembered no one under 60 or so remembers Britain as a full sovereign country . Some 60% of laws are made in Brussels rather than our own parliament and this democratic deficit is going to loom large with older voters who tend to actually turn out.
My guess is that we will vote to remain in but the refugee crisis and dislike of Merkel’s ways are likely to be key factors in the coming months.
tonyb
EU is a bit like a mother in law, people moan but see some of the benefits.
Many of the EU ‘green’ laws are initiated and pushed through by certain Mr Stanley Johnson, now an ex EMP, the father of the same and the current leader of Brexit, Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, man with aspirations of becoming the UK’s next prime minister.
Johnson’s family are of the Turkish origin, Turkey wants to join EU, but the movement of Johnson the younger has declared ‘not over our dead body’.
Brexit leader Johnson junior was born in the USA, hence has the US citizenship, I assume he is also subject of HM.
I suppose if the Brexit fails he could move to the USA and have a go at presidency over there in 4 years time: Boris Johnson ‘intends to renounce US citizenship’
Ugly little left-loon billionaire troll funneling the millions to granny hilly-billy and the brown-shirt goons who deny freedom of assembly and speech:
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-03-15/soros-alarmed-by-trump-pours-money-into-2016-race
“A few months later, Soros told a Clinton confidant that he wished he hadn’t backed Obama in the primary four years earlier.
“He said he’s been impressed that he can always call/meet with you on an issue of policy and he hasn’t met with the president ever,” Neera Tanden said in a 2012 e-mail to Clinton, who was then serving as Obama’s Secretary of State. “He regretted his decision in the primary — he likes to admit mistakes when he makes them and that was one of them.”
The e-mail was one of thousands of Clinton’s messages that the State Department later made public, several of which show what a warm reception Soros got from her office. They show him planning a meeting with Clinton to request funding for a university he supports; recommending a few names of potential mediators for a crisis in Albania; and having a long talk with one of her aides about the situation in Burma. Over the past few years, Soros’ charities have given between $1.5 million and $6 million to the Clinton Foundation.”
Help Soros STOP TRUMP! VOTE FOR THAT BROWN-SHIRT SUPPORTING DISHRAG KASICH!
Dilbert has insight that is sorely lacking among most of the geniuses yammering on the telly:
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/140995102361/the-trump-riots-that-are-mostly-my-fault
The MSM is piling on.
Carlos Slim (oh, I mean the editorial board of the NY Times) had this to say:
It’s of course not “the nation that’s dealth them a bad hand,” but the paid liars and bumsuckers at the NY Times.
The Donald ain’t scared of sneaky commies:
Obamma and granny hilly-billy would have heart attacks if some crazed little loon came at them like that.
Obumma and Hilarious don’t have tiny hands. See it’s the tiny hands that embolden the little loons. Fact.
Some little Vietnam-era cook has a size 9 inferiority complex.
Donald Trump is a matter-of-fact man, so is Vladimir Putin. I think they would get on fine, redefine global mutually exclusive spheres of interest and get on with the business of getting things done. He might have some initial problems with China, but with Tramp the trade and economic interests rather than ideology may prevail.
Second league powers France and UK wouldn’t like it at all, but that is going to be a tough lesson to learn.
Third league powers Germany and Japan will have to go back to do what they are best at as they did some decades ago.
These two graphs illustrate much of the problem in the United States.
There’s a very concrete reason why Putin enjoys such stellar popularity in Russia.
Putin may be a SOB, but he’s the Russian people’s SOB.
http://www.oneutah.org/2010/09/the-gini-index/
Trump gets lots of free media attention, and now the latest to give him $$ millions of media attention is Pres. Obama! The Pres joked and criticized Trump wine…now Trump can respond that the Pres is a wine snob like all elite Democrats, Trump can have wine tasting at or after his campaign speeches, etc. The last time a Pres. criticized a consumable….Bush said he didn’t like Broccoli. Broccoli marketers sent a truckload to the White House, well covered by the media…..lots of free advertising for broccoli.
Trump is currently polling well in Florida and OHIO! I expected as much in Florida, but OHIO? If he gets OHIO the establishment bureaucrats, politicians, technocrats, and plutocrat will probably OD on multiple drugs and go up in a giant nuclear explosion.
I was listening to CBS radio and some total idi0t described some moderate states that Kasich might win if HE wins OHIO. The two states? New York and California!!! One would be hard pressed to find more leftist states and if they were found, they would be very small. Where do these jokers come from? Or, what are they smoking/injecting?
Marco just suspended his campaign.
And Trump looks likely to win everything except Ohio.
Yep, when I looked first Trump was ahead in Ohio, but now Kasich is 43, Trump 34 with 2% reporting.
They just called Ohio for Kasich.