by Judith Curry
I am trying to take a harder line at moderating the blog.
Obviously not a simple task. My main concern is people impersonating other commenters.
I have implemented a requirement for registration (I clicked a box on wordpress). I have no idea how/if this will work. If there are problems with this and you can’t comment, pls email me.
Note, I am one person here. I have no funds to hire moderators or admin people. I am also very illiterate when it comes to the internet (which is why I have been able to manage with point-and-click wordpress). I appreciate your advice on what to do, however I do not have the capability to implement any of these.
Lets see what we can do to improve the situation. Thanks for your patience and cooperation
Looks like Springer wasn’t content to run amok here, but decided to mess with ATTP also.
Stay classy, Springer, stay classy – as always.
I think I can comment
Well can’t make wordpress work, try twitter
trying to log in
tonyb
Actually Springer did nothing of the sort. Joshua accused me here:
https://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.com/2015/03/15/implausible/#comment-50656
then BBD admitted it was he not me.
Baseless slander, as always, Joshua (whoever you are). Stay classy indeed.
Since I am registered on WordPress, this seems to be transparent. Good luck with the moderation. It does seem to be neccesary to run a tight ship on the Internet these days.
I was able to create an account and comment. It’s no worse than any other web site registration and easier than a lot of them.
I had to change my user ID since jim2 was apparently taken by someone else.
Maybe Jim2020 for the perfectly clear vision in your comments? Under any name you’ve got my respect. Even JimTutu. ;-)
I can still comment under this name.
Can I comment under my WordPress account?
All this instead of hiring someone.
Sigh.
eh…if its not worth your time….
I had to truncate my name…
still, she runs a pretty good show here, there is much to thank her for, dontcha think?
> if its not worth your time…
I was already all setup. That’s not the point.
Big Dave will be back in three days.
Well, I had to change my name, and it won’t let me put my blog link in my name, but we’ll see…
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Can we help by replying “FLAG” to posts we suggest deleting?
Good suggestion
That’s a bit obtrusive, perhaps wordpress has a more subtle flag function.
FLAG.
LOL! But is it a rule one must include the quotes?
Thanks for trying.
Seems to be OK
I just heard from someone who is having difficulty commenting, suggestions?
What difficulty?
i think the person finally made it thru with new user name
had to adopt a new name…
Change your displayed name on your profile page (white circle upper right)
Looks like spammer registrations becomes an issue.
https://wordpress.org/plugins/stop-spammer-registrations-plugin/
did what was suggested by your kind posters…it worked just fine. thanks
I already have a WordPress account, works flawlessly.
Ditto,I hope.
Try commenting more than once. The first time I tried I got told to log in even though I thought I had. It worked the second time around.
It looks like people are not limited to their WordPress ID but can change their displayed name on their profile page. Click the white circle in the upper right. Judith can also access each person’s profile page.
Thanks for that tip. Now I can go back to my old public name. Thanks god!
I had trouble using my existing username. Couldn’t even get WordPress to recognize my email address that should have already been part of the system.
So I gave up and re-registered (hence the new nic). Still, for some reason I had to log out and then back in again, and click on the box next to my new nic before it would allow my comment to go through the first time. From that point on, there’s no problem.
Try changing your displayed name on your profile page.
Done!
If yer don’t succeed at first try try agin.
Looks like a PITA to me. Lost my 0.8 +/- 0.2 I did.
Can you add it back to your displayed name on your profile page?
took some doin’
Works good for me. I already had a WordPress account, so maybe why no issues?
Anyway, I think this is a step in the right direction. This is an excellent blog and if this will make it easier to manage, go for it. Does tend to get a little ….. crazy here sometimes. But, I’ve seen worse, so I wasn’t going to quit coming here.
The comments (and subject matter) are at times beyond my understanding, but nowhere else have I seen all sides so well covered (which is an issue I’ll save for another post : )
Thanks,
GeoffW
cap’s, “We will remember it.”
Beth – check your “likes” by clicking on the “bubble” in the upper right, on the “tool bar.”
Now we can see who replied to us by clicking the little bubble in the upper right.
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testing. I had to create a WP blog account, which I have no need for. Anyway some tips were useful, so I could go back to my normal name.
How do I stop it being a link to a blank WP page?
maybe this
or this?
You can also create a WordPress user name without creating a blog account. See the fine print to the effect “Just give me a user name.” As far as the link, if you have a different link try typing it in on your profile page, or removing it if one is there.
Yes it was in the account settings. Thanks.
Although I am retired and have the time and interest to provide volunteer help, I do not have the internet skills. Perhaps someone else does. Climate Etc. is the best blog of its kind and I appreciate Dr. Curry’s efforts and expertise. I would also be willing to provide financial support if that would be of help.
Hi Judith,
The problem with any popular blog is that it attracts trolls and fools. The solution is to get volunteers to moderate your blog. (https://wordpress.org/plugins/baw-moderator-role/ I am sure Anthony can give you some advice on setting moderation policy.)
There is no reason every comment thread at Climate Etc should become a food fight between the same commenters. There is no reason every comment thread should become a forum for fools to advance their wild eyed ideas… think Doug Cotton or WHT. There is no reason for the same people, with chronic verbal diarrhea, to foul each and every comment thread with their endless odious discharges.
Ask for volunteers and set strict rules. I am sure you will get many takers. One simple rule: not more than 10 comments on a thread except for those you know make substantive comments.
Final suggestion: no comments from people hiding their identity. Nothing invites bad behavior like anonymity. If they are at work, then they probably shouldn’t be commenting at all, and their employer should know who they are.
Steve Fitzpatrick
I agree totally with you. Hiding behind some bogus nom de blog is the lowest form of cowardice.
Put your name behind your posts…its one way to eliminate a whole lot of the effluvia.
==> “if one is arguing that particular phenomena are possible, an anecdote is all one needs.”
Perhaps your “anecdote” is a lie, or just a mistaken impression.
==> “but it is evidence. ”
Interesting, your notion of evidence.
Just take the time and energy to reread my prior post above, and respond to why your notion of “scientific evidence” is so flawed..
Joshua: your response is exactly the type of BS and excreta that is so maddening here. reread my post. that you would attempt to argue about its’ veracity says much about you, and your grasp of logic and reasoning.
Its sad, really.
Perhaps the example I cited wasnt good enough for you…maybe the Wright brothers didn’t fly?
Perhaps alamogordo was a false flag, a ruse… maybe the atomic bomb was a conspiracy…
That you can’t or won’t comprehend my point is troubling. you need help.
David –
Try reading and responding to the comment I made on the other thread. Now perhaps you read it and ignored the point, or perhaps you read it and have no response, but from what we’ve seen so far you have no way of distinguishing between what you call “anecdotal evidence” and a lie or a mistaken observation or an outlier that is mistaken for a general pattern. If you consider citing anecdotes as scientific evidence (which was mosher’s point) then you’re willing to conflate opinion with scientific analysis.
Now if I were citing anecdotes as evidence, I would point out as scientific evidence that Judith has left in the insults embedded in your comment while deleting my comment in response that contained no insults but responded on point.
One of the key challenges to moderation is to decide who gets the last word in a non productive discussion. I have two choices:
1) delete the whole discussion (Joshua, this means a lot of your posts would be deleted)
2) allow a quasi sensible response to stay, as the last word, which will hopefully end the discussion
joshua:
this is probably the last time I respond to your posts.
If one assumes that evidence presented is false, and a lie, then it makes no difference what the evidence is: controlled double blind studies, or whatever..if one assumes that the the facts presented aren’t facts, then the what that evidence is…anecdotal or other, means nothing.
That you have the time and energy to fight this is really sad. Why dont you go and make the world a better place?
Now, deal with the examples I presented please…the Wright brothers flying…the explosion at alamogordo…do these examples…anecdotes…prove something, or do they not?
==> “If one assumes that evidence presented is false, and a lie, then it makes no difference what the evidence is:
How fascinating.
Citing anecdotes makes no attempt to control the evidence for bias. Scientific evidence is evidence that has been subjected to controls (even if the process is far from foolproof). Hence, the difference, and why your notion of “anecdotal evidence” is what separates a “skeptic” from a skeptic..
Hence mosher’s comment.
You refuse to engage on point, because you know that in some cases, anecdotal evidence is persuasive. I understand…you feel that you can’t concede the point..However, in this case, conceding the point will only make you appear to be a rational person. continuing this debacle in public only makes you appear to be a fool.
You must know this….
And David –
I’ve repeated it already, but I suppose once more can’t hurt. How do you distinguish your “anecdotal evidence” from a lie or a mistaken observation? What are your inclusion/exclusion criteria? What is your test for your notion of what is or isn’t “evidence” if you think that citing anecdotes is presenting evidence?
According to the “anecdotal evidence” we see in these threads, “skeptics” as a group think differently that “realists,” “progressives” are immoral and incapable of critical thinking, blah, blah.
There’s a reason why our much beloved “skeptics” never bring actual scientific evidence to the table to back such claims. The reason is that the scientific doesn’t support their claims, although their citations of “anecdotal evidence” does. In fact, the scientific evidence contradicts their conjecture about the ways that they distinguish themselves from others who disagree with them about politics or the evidence related to climate change.
Here, allow mosomoso to make my point for me, with a beautiful example of conflating anecdotes with evidence:
http://judithcurry.com/2015/03/15/bankruptcy-of-the-merchants-of-doubt-meme/#comment-684212
> If one assumes that evidence presented is false, and a lie,
To present a moralistic sideswipe as factual evidence may not be the best way to argue in favor of real names.
Joshua’s behavior reminds me of when my 5 year old son chose to be obstinate. After talking back to me repeatedly, I would tell him “Not one more word” To that he would reply “Ok”. To which I would say “I said not one more word.” “Ok” came back.. “I said not….. one ……more….word.” “Ok” “I said……..”
Luckily he grew out of it. I hope his son starts doing the same thing to him.
Here’s your chance, kid.
The debate is over. AGW is happening. Solutions are within reach.
No more words.
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Hi Steve. Be careful what you wish for when it comes to more regulations. Remember bad behavior can be very ingenious. Sometimes peer pressure is all that is needed. I am guessing the worst offenders are the ones who feel most like they own the joint, just like everywhere else. The few pipsqueaks that breeze by with a pot-shot shouldn’t bother anyone. We can simply reply “Flag”.
Okay. Lets test.
I haven’t noticed a correlation between bad behavior and anonymity. Perhaps Judith could give us a rough estimate of the percentage of people she has had to put in moderation that were anonymous.
This is correct, an informal impression that there is no correlation
Agree!
Thanks Steve. I’d agree. The “verbal diahrea” on every post from the same responders is a big turnoff reading this blog. Some info is so esoteric and trite that the discussion does not help. Best of luck, Judith.
Good suggestions Steve. Judith needs to do something about reducing the time it is taking her to run this blog so as to let her do other things which would have to be more important.
But since replies still only go in two levels it notifies the post at the top of the sub-thread rather than the post you’re actually replying to.
I agree with SteveF. Find some retired volunteers who you trust and they will do a good job free. The current lack of effective moderation here does really detract from the comment threads and keeps a lot of people from reading and commenting.
I hear Springer is retired :)
Haha – very funny
This is a comment.
thanks for the wp help swood1000
Testing……..1, 2, 4………dang it got that part wrong.
Hmmm. My name was used in several versions. Hope whomever is doing that is helping children somewhere.
Dr. Curry, That you have been able to go so long w/o stiffer measures says much. Having to do so now also says much.
When I first tried to comment after changing the “post as” name I logged in via WordPress but kept getting a “you must be logged in to comment” message. Once I closed this post and reopened in a new window the comments went through. Sorry folks, still here.
Same happened with me – a couple of times. Weird.
Seems to work fine. Just logged back on to wordpress.
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Testing testing, not that I comment that often, though I always read.
Hope this flies without problem. One of RI’s Senators (Whitehouse) has doubled down on his witch hunt, with a letter in the Providence Journal, in response to a Journal article about his, Sen, Markley (D, MA) and Sen. Boxer (D, CA) bullying letters. Sigh,,,,
I have a WordPress acct and adding a comment required no changes.
am I jim2, now?
Are you having an identity crisis? (I might be, I think this will not post as Faustino.)
OK, that was my WP log-in – I’ll try to resurrect the Faustino tag, in spite of demands from some for “real names.” This is my Facebook log-in, without the chimpanzee avatar. Should be my genuine name.
‘ Who am I ? What am I? ‘
H/t Hitchcock, ‘ The Birds.’
From a couple days ago Doc.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/lax-wordpress-security-data-protection-caused-by-lack-of-education/
I am certain there are many out here that would be willing to help you with this valuable, and essential, forum.
Thank you for doing what you do!
Regards Ed
Daddy? Are we there yet?
all lower case. Is that a sign of the times? Two classes of usernames.
Riho08,
Go back in to your profile (top right w/ head and shoulders) and try again. It let me put my caps back.
Danny Thomas
Are you related in any way to….
New Display
RIHO08,
I see you made it all caps again!
I am not, to my knowledge, related to New Display!
Judith Curry wrote:
I am trying to take a harder line at moderating the blog.
This is a test post just to see. I thought you already did an excellent job.
Thank you for doing this.
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Cogito ergo sum….I think…
Testing 1, 2, 3…Can you hear me now?
Not a problem for me. Hope the new scheme reduces your workload.
Meep Meep
Sad to say, it has gotten to the point where I don’t bother even reading the posts of some here. They may occasionally have a valid point, but it isn’t worth my time to search for a nugget amid the dreck. Let’s hope moderation helps where self restraint has failed.
My view too. I’ve become a skimmer rather than a read-all-er. Don’t know whether this will change entrenched behaviour of certain posters.
Faustino
There are some commenters here whose goal seems to be to write as much as possible without saying anything meaningful. Occassionaly they slip up, may once or twice a year.
It’s Global Warming For Sure, I Think.
Oh noes, RC moderation!!
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Dr. Curry, did any of this have to do with the content of posts or replies?
It had to do with someone finding a way around being blocked, plus also using other posters’ names. Not sure this will help because it is easy to register too, but maybe it limits multiple accounts.
testing, testing, testing
Now, how do I get my 3 caps back?
Visit a hat-shop if you can’t find them.
Every time I see the blog name I have this urge to add a comma. Could we crowdsource the cost of a comma and make it Climate, Etc.?
Change an established brand name? Mmmm …
Alas, i hear global warming has endangered the comma spawning grounds, so they are not as “comman” as they used to be. Texting isn’t helping either. Good grammar is always needed, and punctuation is your friend if it’s clarity in writing you seek.
Whew! A lot of steps…
Worth the climb, though.
I once (years ago) had to set up a WordPress page in order to log on here. It gave me the address https://climateetc.wordpress.com/ , which is why I’ve barely used it; I meant to pay for a new name, but never got round to it. However, having tried and failed to access my WP account to see about appearing here as Faustino, I went to “notablog – might be one someday” to see if I could access the profile there. No, but I posted a tale: “Death in the Himalayas (almost)”, which some might enjoy.
Well,
I much prefer to know you as Michael Cunningham. And I inherently tend to trust people more who use their real name when possible (clearly people like Planning Engineer can’t for reasons clearly explained on his first posts). Using real names gives an a first impression of honesty and that the person is more likely to be prepared to stand behind their comments, and admit mistakes when wrong.
One of Judith’s best posts, IMO, was “10 signs of intellectual honesty” (and the included bit about 10 signs of intellectual dishonesty) http://judithcurry.com/2013/04/20/10-signs-of-intellectual-honesty/. I am really addressing this to others, not you, Michael Cunningham. You have always demonstrated the greatest integrity – an example we could all learn from (including me).
Thanks, Peter. An old friend who has died recently often called me “Mikhail.” Given that she was imprisoned by the Russians after the war, I wasn’t quite sure what to make of that! Here’s my Facebook post:
“The passing of a great generation: I’ve been privileged to work with four Vipassana teachers, S N Goenka, John Coleman, Ruth Denison and Ven Dr Rewatadhamma, as well as the leading Thai forest monk Achaan Cha. I’ve learned that the last of them, Mrs Denison, died recently. A common thread was that all devoted their time and energy to helping others at the highest level, by helping them with a practice which leads to wisdom, peace and happiness.
“I always called Ruth “Mrs Denison” (or sometimes “Mrs D”). At a dinner in Hollywood in 1978, several people said, “Why don’t you call her ‘Ruth’?” Mrs Denison replied, “Because he is a fine English gentleman.”
“Well, here’s to you, Mrs Denison, you were a very fine German lady.”
My daughter Lauren responded: “In fact, having heard mention of her my whole life, I don’t think I ever knew her first name.”
Thanks Michael.
Testing…
In the true Feynman science methadology tradition,
Jonathan.Hope yer bendin’ over backwards as the
great man hisself advised.
works for me
Testing from Melbourne Australia.
With thanks to Prof Curry for examples of how science should be done.
Have used my real name, since the beginning of climate blogs.
Because proper, successful scientists have nothing to hide
Geoff
Can I comment? Yes
One more acolyte making the attempt
You can’t keep me out that easy.
Drat! We forgot the wooden stake!
Let’s push more buttons in the Dashboard.
Something sure will happen.
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Dear Dr Curry,Sorry to hear about the difficulties with personation and trolling. I’m not volunteering (too busy myself) but I would have thought that among your wide readership there might be some potential volunteer moderators. Have you asked? I tried to register with WordPress but didn’t get very far. I have nothing to do with Twitter or Facebook. I am registered with Disqus, which I use to comment at Luboš Motl’s site. Seems to work OK.Like thousands of others I’m grateful that you operate this excellent blog. Regards,Hugh Roper (trading as Coldish)
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Log ins will be the death of me.
I quadruple dare Judith Curry to require people to use their real names. Lol.
What this place is proof of is people who use their real names are among the worst. The worst, though, being people who are known to most but who constantly make up new names: Springer and Chef Hydro, perhaps the devil himself.
JCH,
I think you’re using the same poor logic you utilized on your overachieving inner city school educated son. Which as it happens is the same poor logic you apply to the climate debate. At least you’re consistent.
log in required with WordPress?
Nope, if you have a WordPress account, no additional logging in required.
Testing with today’s words of wisdom:
“Choose carefully whom you believe; and be prepared to change your mind.”
testing 1,2,3…
just hope not too much moderation. One of the reasons skeptical science has no credibility. Nanny moderating.
Dont expect that here tho.
Test, someone has my old name also???? Didn’t know there were two of us
Attempting new user display name…..
Professor Curry,
Out of curiosity – can you comment as to why you are commencing moderation?
Despite the presence of a number of professional trolls, the commentary is mostly worthwhile.
The main trigger was an individual ‘impersonating’ other commenters. Secondary issues are off topic bickering among commenters, and some individuals relentless promoting their own (off topic) hobby horses.
Professor Curry,
Thank you for the explanation. It is indeed reasonable – though sad that some would stoop to that childish level. Crapification goes on.
only a little bit of a hassle.
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maybe less topics and more specific.
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Good luck with the moderation efforts.
Testing equations:
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Good luck.
was KenW, but I was already taken
you can change the displayed name to whatever you want. Read up stairs to see how..
Thanks, Joshua, but I was thinkin of a change anyway, I’ll sleep over it now. i don’t have anything constructive to say about MoD anyway. Enjoy the evening.
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It is sad that some individuals have nothing better to do than try to disrupt bloggers’ posts and commenters.
Hi. I already have a WordPress account so I’m assuming everything is kosher. Rarely post anyway but am a lurkaholic.
I love it “lurkaholic”
So we are going keep all the dross out.
Well that’s all my posts deleted then
We may have lost anonymous chronic misinformationists “R.Gates” and “Fan of More Discourse” the accountability cleansing. What a shame that would be. /sarc
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Testing. And thank you Judith for your professional, restrained, careful and open-minded approach.
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Is there a way to link my Gravatar profile to my name?
Testing -by another lurkaholic.
Is there something about a blog that makes people stupid? I’ve been a regular commenter at Dotearth, but I’ve about given up. So watch out! I might start commenting here.
Why do some ID’s appear in blue and some in black.
Blues supplied a link to their (or a) web site.
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Dr. Curry, this is Roger Sowell from the Denizens pages. Thank you for all you do. I will attempt to convert my display name.
Testing again. Name changed, I hope.
Where is kim?
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WordPress is a big pain in the a$$! I can’t get the link button in the editor to work.
I take it all back. Got it figured out and it works great!
So much effort, so little gain; the handle may change, but the man is the same.
John S.
Seems to work. I already had a WordPress.com account by the looks.
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Not posting, just testing.
Hi is the denizens chapter closed? I wanted to add an entry.
London calling …Come in pokerguy … )