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Solar discussion thread II

by Judith Curry

So, what’s going on with the sun?  The latest research was presented at the Nagoya Workshop on the Relationship between Solar Activity and Climate Changes.

WUWT has a post on this Workshop, which included presentations by Judith Lean and Leif Svalgaard, and Henrik Svensmark.  Ithe following  four presentations  seem to be the most relevant to climate change:

Judith Lean

Some highlights from Judith Lean’s presentation:

The following paper is referenced:  Kopp and Lean (2011) GRL, summarizing total solar irradiance measurements from space and the nontrivial discrepancies in the baseline measurements from different satellites with overlapping time periods.

Sources of solar irradiance variability are spectral dependent, which is much more difficult to measure than TSI.  Spectral variations are seen on the 27 day solar rotation cycle and also on the 11 year sunspot cycle.

IPCC AR5 climate model simulations are using  the reconstruction from Wang, Lean, Sheeley (2005).  Other recent estimates of long term solar variability:  Kirova et al. 2011, Shapiro et al. 2011.

NRL’s general linear climate model: ENSO + volcanic aerosols + solar activity + anthropogenic effects explains 85% of the CRU temperature variance for the period  1979-2010.

Natural components account for <15% of warming since 1890.  Claims that the sun has caused as much as 70% of recent warming presents fundamental puzzles. It requires that

How and why will temperature change in the next few decades?  Future near-term climate change will vary because of both natural and anthropogenic influences.   Her model predicts a warming of 0.4C by 2030.

Predicts solar cycle 24 will be less active than cycle 23

A pending maunder minimum?  Well everyone is predicting a solar cycle decrease, with most other studies predicting more of a decrease than Wang, Lean, Sheeley 2005.

Summary points:

Climate model response to radiative forcing:

Three different TSI measurement composites (since 1980) provide diffrences in absolute scale, temporal structure, solar minimum levels, long-term trends.

Solar cycle irradiance modulates:

An actual Maunder Minimum can take > 100 years – not 10 years – to eventuate.  A new Maunder Minimum will NOT cause another Little Ice Age.

Svalgaard

Svalgaard’s ppt file is less easy to interpret in stand alone form, with little text, but I reproduce his conclusions here:

Der Spiegel

Der Spiegel has an article on this topic, an interview with German electric utility executive Fritz Vahrenhold, entitled “I feel duped on climate change.”

Will reduced solar activity counteract global warming in the coming decades? That is what outgoing German electric utility executive Fritz Vahrenholt claims in a new book. In an interview with SPIEGEL, he argues that the official United Nations forecasts on the severity of climate change are overstated and supported by weak science.

JC comments:

There is significant uncertainty, not only in solar reconstructions, but in the interpretation of satellite measurements since 1980.  There is a 6 W m-2 discrepancy in the baseline measurements across different satellite systems, plus significant differences in trends since 1980. There is 5 W m-2 discrepancy in the reconstructions in the first few decades of the 20th century.  For reference, the 20th century CO2 forcing is 1.7 W m-2.

While this uncertainty seems generally acknowledged in the solar community and by Judith Lean (who has been the main solar person involved in the IPCC), I have to say I’m concerned that the CMIP climate model experiments for the IPCC uses only one solar reconstruction.

The IPCC has framed the climate change problem in the context of anthropogenic forcing, and national funding has followed suit.  There has been far too little emphasis on understanding the sun and solar-climate interactions, I see a few signs that this situation is improving.

Re AR5, I haven’t checked to see who the solar authors are or what the ZOD has to say?

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